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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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I only sort of knew him in Clemson. But I was told the money definitely had an affect on him in some ways. Do I think he did anything wrong? No, most likely not. Although we can get into a lot of gray area. The fact that the police have interviewed these accusers and have still failed to charge Watson with anything says a lot. Don't he think he would be charged with something by now if there was true legitimacy to these accusations? I do.

The lawyer representing the accusers is a known, huge, Texans fan. So it's weird that he would go after a player. It's also weird that he decided to go after Watson once he publicly acknowledged he wanted out of Houston. I think he dug for some girls who had sexual encounters and talked some of them into a pay day. Hell, it shouldn't be that hard to find 20 or so girls who had sexual encounters with an NFL athlete who want to get paid...most are trying in the first place.

We'll see what happens. The Texans asking price was something like 3 #1's...and I don't want the Browns to mortgage the future for a with a huge salary. That hurts us 2 ways...acquiring talent in the draft and in FA with a limited salary cap.
I think there will be some kind of out of court settlement where Watson will not admit guilt and he can then move forward. Unless it turns into some Bill Cosby type shit.......
 
According to Albert Breer, the quarterback evaluations following the senior bowl have been brutal. Breer said multiple NFL talent evaluators told him there is not a starting quarterback in the bunch, and it was unanimous that none of the prospects measured up to the top 5 quarterbacks from the 2021 - and it's worth keeping in mind the 2021 class wasn't great in their first year. Mac Jones played well (He threw 22 touchdowns to 13 interceptions, he was actually pretty average - no idea how he's a pro-bowler) but the rest either struggled or hardly played.



I know I've been harsh on the 2022 class but I really wouldn't be shocked if none are selected in the first round.
 
I dont disagree with your evaluations but the need is so great in the league Im guessing 3 will go in the top @12
pickett,corral and willis. Im guessing another 1-2 will go in the 1st rd.so 4-5 in the 1st rd. some teams will simply have no choice.teams like PITT,TB,houston,washington and the colts.Its the draft so Im guessing and I could be way off.
to say NONE of those teams would take a shot? I cant see that happening.I like strong in the 2nd rd for us.hes 6'4" has a "canon arm" (most overused superlative in FB) and is a solid prospect.I think If you started any of these guys, it would not end well but for some of those teams they cant do worse than who they have right now (PITT) willis>rudolph
 
According to Albert Breer, the quarterback evaluations following the senior bowl have been brutal. Breer said multiple NFL talent evaluators told him there is not a starting quarterback in the bunch, and it was unanimous that none of the prospects measured up to the top 5 quarterbacks from the 2021 - and it's worth keeping in mind the 2021 class wasn't great in their first year. Mac Jones played well (He threw 22 touchdowns to 13 interceptions, he was actually pretty average - no idea how he's a pro-bowler) but the rest either struggled or hardly played.



I know I've been harsh on the 2022 class but I really wouldn't be shocked if none are selected in the first round.


This year's QB group sucks out loud.
 
I hope pit goes all in and trades up for a QB in the top 5. And two or three other teams too for our benefit. I'm pretty sure at 13 we could get the best DT, but I'm not sure if that guy is a talent worthy of 13 and we need WR help as much as anything. According to this ranking 'Bama WR Jameson Williams might be an option even though he suffered a torn ACL injury.


 
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yup,I could absolutely see PITT wanting to trade up to @10ish to get one of the top 3 QB's in this draft.
they are 1 team where a rook QB might actually be effective.with our history vs running QB's? I dont want them taking willis.
he could actually give us problems (well, more so than corral or pickett) would I trade down with them for a '23 1st or 2nd? YES I would.next years draft will be 2x as good as this one and a great WR will still be on the board at #20 (london?)
I concur,teams will reach for QB's in this draft and it will be good for us.(any 1st rd QB in this draft is a reach IMO :LOL: )

20: R1 P20 WR Treylon Burks - Arkansas
44: R2 P12 QB Carson Strong - Nevada
78: R3 P14 DL Jordan Davis - Georgia
98: R3 P34 TE Isaiah Likely - Coastal Carolina
106: R4 P2 LB Leo Chenal - Wisconsin
117: R4 P13 DL Travis Jones - Connecticut
138: R4 P34 WR Khalil Shakir - Boise State
155: R5 P12 OT Braxton Jones - Southern Utah

Trade Partner: Pittsburgh Steelers
Sent: 2022 Round 1 Pick 13
Received:2022 Round 1 Pick 20
2023 Round 2 Pick
2022 Round 4 Pick 34

using very latest fanspeak BB out this morning.as If davis will be there in the 3rd rd? london is moving up boards.
this mock assumes we lose juice,wilson and hooper. (keep njoku,cut hooper) but keep clowney. 🙏
#5? KING of the jungle!

 
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YES YES YES. this draft is going to be pivotal for the future of the CB and this FO.make it? and we are in the PO's.break it? and we are looking for a new FO. I was thinking why do we have 2 x 2022 3rd rd picks? looked it up and..
Your Cleveland Browns will receive two third-round compensatory draft picks, one in 2022 and one in 2023, because the Minnesota Vikings signed away analytics expert Kwesi Adofo-Mensah to be their next general manager, according to Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal as well as many other sources.
 
yup,I could absolutely see PITT wanting to trade up to @10ish to get one of the top 3 QB's in this draft.
they are 1 team where a rook QB might actually be effective.with our history vs running QB's? I dont want them taking willis.
he could actually give us problems (well, more so than corral or pickett) would I trade down with them for a '23 1st or 2nd? YES I would.next years draft will be 2x as good as this one and a great WR will still be on the board at #20 (london?)
I concur,teams will reach for QB's in this draft and it will be good for us.(any 1st rd QB in this draft is a reach IMO :LOL: )

20: R1 P20 WR Treylon Burks - Arkansas
44: R2 P12 QB Carson Strong - Nevada
78: R3 P14 DL Jordan Davis - Georgia
98: R3 P34 TE Isaiah Likely - Coastal Carolina
106: R4 P2 LB Leo Chenal - Wisconsin
117: R4 P13 DL Travis Jones - Connecticut
138: R4 P34 WR Khalil Shakir - Boise State
155: R5 P12 OT Braxton Jones - Southern Utah

Trade Partner: Pittsburgh Steelers
Sent: 2022 Round 1 Pick 13
Received:2022 Round 1 Pick 20
2023 Round 2 Pick
2022 Round 4 Pick 34

using very latest fanspeak BB out this morning.as If davis will be there in the 3rd rd? london is moving up boards.
this mock assumes we lose juice,wilson and hooper. (keep njoku,cut hooper) but keep clowney. 🙏
#5? KING of the jungle!



Other than Strong in the 2nd, not bad. I like Burks, Davis and Travis Jones.
 
With Baker taking a hiatus from social media, things have been pretty quiet regarding his movements. This isn't unexpected given he's recovering from surgery, but it's still a void.

This story continues to rattle around my brain:

“I already know what exactly I need to work on and improve going forward,” Mayfield said. “That is the exciting thing about it, it is always a continual process of getting better and improving.”

“I do not need somebody to teach me how to do a three-step drop,” Mayfield said. “I can look at film and be critical of myself. Throughout this process, I have had people help me out along the way and try and take things from different people. Anytime I am around somebody, I ask questions. Do not act like I have it all figured out.

“There is always room to improve and take things from there and there, but I would not say that I will go on the beach and swim through the ocean and try and learn how to play quarterback by doing that.”


It's just such an arrogant take. All the top quarterbacks work with quarterback tutors in the offseason. Why he was so against it is just beyond me.

Success at the position is dependent on solid technique and fundamentals - skills which are acquired through tireless repetition and the development of muscle memory. I think injuries played the largest role in Baker's struggles in 2021. But I also think he showed a continual regression, and at times a complete breakdown, of his technique and fundamentals.

I just don't understand his reluctance to work with a quarterback coach. Josh Allen, for example, has worked with Jordan Palmer during offseasons and spoke about how digitally mapping his throwing motion showed issues and helped him figure out where he needed improvement. Here is what he said.

“I was sitting there with a couple of other quarterbacks and I was the last guy to get talked about,” Allen added. “Everybody else was like, ‘Your hips are firing at such a good rate, and everything’s sequencing right’ and the next quarterback, ‘Your hips are firing at such a good rate.’ Then they got to me and it’s like, ‘You’re not doing any of this.’ It was like a wake-up call.”

“Being able to add my hips and make that as consistent as possible and try to slow everything else down up top and use my hand as the leverage for the speed and the accuracy has changed a lot of things. The accuracy has gone up, but it’s actually added some MPH to my throwing power, too. It’s been a pretty cool process,” Allen said.


Compare that with what Mayfield said, and then wonder who went on to become an elite NFL quarterback.

I feel like pride plays a role with Mayfield. That walk-on mentality. Like working with a private coach is some form of admission he's not good enough or is just outright bad.

If he's going to turn it around next season, he needs a fresh approach. And starting with nailing those fundamentals and making the corrections he needs to make might help him become a more consistent NFL quarterback, and maximise his talent. Because Baker is insanely talented. He makes some special throws. And nobody questions his heart. But I want to see a willingness to work on the details, iron out the kinks and really work to get it right.

I have no idea what he's up to this offseason, but I sure hope it's productive. And I hope such a difficult season will inspire him in a positive direction.
 
With Baker taking a hiatus from social media, things have been pretty quiet regarding his movements. This isn't unexpected given he's recovering from surgery, but it's still a void.

This story continues to rattle around my brain:

“I already know what exactly I need to work on and improve going forward,” Mayfield said. “That is the exciting thing about it, it is always a continual process of getting better and improving.”

“I do not need somebody to teach me how to do a three-step drop,” Mayfield said. “I can look at film and be critical of myself. Throughout this process, I have had people help me out along the way and try and take things from different people. Anytime I am around somebody, I ask questions. Do not act like I have it all figured out.

“There is always room to improve and take things from there and there, but I would not say that I will go on the beach and swim through the ocean and try and learn how to play quarterback by doing that.”


It's just such an arrogant take. All the top quarterbacks work with quarterback tutors in the offseason. Why he was so against it is just beyond me.

Success at the position is dependent on solid technique and fundamentals - skills which are acquired through tireless repetition and the development of muscle memory. I think injuries played the largest role in Baker's struggles in 2021. But I also think he showed a continual regression, and at times a complete breakdown, of his technique and fundamentals.

I just don't understand his reluctance to work with a quarterback coach. Josh Allen, for example, has worked with Jordan Palmer during offseasons and spoke about how digitally mapping his throwing motion showed issues and helped him figure out where he needed improvement. Here is what he said.

“I was sitting there with a couple of other quarterbacks and I was the last guy to get talked about,” Allen added. “Everybody else was like, ‘Your hips are firing at such a good rate, and everything’s sequencing right’ and the next quarterback, ‘Your hips are firing at such a good rate.’ Then they got to me and it’s like, ‘You’re not doing any of this.’ It was like a wake-up call.”

“Being able to add my hips and make that as consistent as possible and try to slow everything else down up top and use my hand as the leverage for the speed and the accuracy has changed a lot of things. The accuracy has gone up, but it’s actually added some MPH to my throwing power, too. It’s been a pretty cool process,” Allen said.


Compare that with what Mayfield said, and then wonder who went on to become an elite NFL quarterback.

I feel like pride plays a role with Mayfield. That walk-on mentality. Like working with a private coach is some form of admission he's not good enough or is just outright bad.

If he's going to turn it around next season, he needs a fresh approach. And starting with nailing those fundamentals and making the corrections he needs to make might help him become a more consistent NFL quarterback, and maximise his talent. Because Baker is insanely talented. He makes some special throws. And nobody questions his heart. But I want to see a willingness to work on the details, iron out the kinks and really work to get it right.

I have no idea what he's up to this offseason, but I sure hope it's productive. And I hope such a difficult season will inspire him in a positive direction.


If I were him.. Id have a pow wow with Drew Brees and Peyton Manning... if the kid wants to make it.. He's gonna have to learn how to be a surgeon and not just rely on physical ability alone... Even the greats need help... Just like with myself as a Guitarist/Musician.. I always go back to fundamentals.. I still work on my technique and fingering... I also make it my business to learn from my peers... I have other players that I know and respect.. I constantly pick their brains about things... Yeah everybody has a different style... But you can do things to improve what you do well.. But also work on the things you have trouble with... My mantra also is focus on your strengths... But stay on top of your weaknesses and perfect them.. Never rest on your laurels... There's always someone waiting in the wings to take your job... It's a business for sure......
 
With Baker taking a hiatus from social media, things have been pretty quiet regarding his movements. This isn't unexpected given he's recovering from surgery, but it's still a void.

This story continues to rattle around my brain:

“I already know what exactly I need to work on and improve going forward,” Mayfield said. “That is the exciting thing about it, it is always a continual process of getting better and improving.”

“I do not need somebody to teach me how to do a three-step drop,” Mayfield said. “I can look at film and be critical of myself. Throughout this process, I have had people help me out along the way and try and take things from different people. Anytime I am around somebody, I ask questions. Do not act like I have it all figured out.

“There is always room to improve and take things from there and there, but I would not say that I will go on the beach and swim through the ocean and try and learn how to play quarterback by doing that.”


It's just such an arrogant take. All the top quarterbacks work with quarterback tutors in the offseason. Why he was so against it is just beyond me.

Success at the position is dependent on solid technique and fundamentals - skills which are acquired through tireless repetition and the development of muscle memory. I think injuries played the largest role in Baker's struggles in 2021. But I also think he showed a continual regression, and at times a complete breakdown, of his technique and fundamentals.

I just don't understand his reluctance to work with a quarterback coach. Josh Allen, for example, has worked with Jordan Palmer during offseasons and spoke about how digitally mapping his throwing motion showed issues and helped him figure out where he needed improvement. Here is what he said.

“I was sitting there with a couple of other quarterbacks and I was the last guy to get talked about,” Allen added. “Everybody else was like, ‘Your hips are firing at such a good rate, and everything’s sequencing right’ and the next quarterback, ‘Your hips are firing at such a good rate.’ Then they got to me and it’s like, ‘You’re not doing any of this.’ It was like a wake-up call.”

“Being able to add my hips and make that as consistent as possible and try to slow everything else down up top and use my hand as the leverage for the speed and the accuracy has changed a lot of things. The accuracy has gone up, but it’s actually added some MPH to my throwing power, too. It’s been a pretty cool process,” Allen said.


Compare that with what Mayfield said, and then wonder who went on to become an elite NFL quarterback.

I feel like pride plays a role with Mayfield. That walk-on mentality. Like working with a private coach is some form of admission he's not good enough or is just outright bad.

If he's going to turn it around next season, he needs a fresh approach. And starting with nailing those fundamentals and making the corrections he needs to make might help him become a more consistent NFL quarterback, and maximise his talent. Because Baker is insanely talented. He makes some special throws. And nobody questions his heart. But I want to see a willingness to work on the details, iron out the kinks and really work to get it right.

I have no idea what he's up to this offseason, but I sure hope it's productive. And I hope such a difficult season will inspire him in a positive direction.
Agree 💯 and it is one of the main reasons this kid has failed. Bottom line, he's lazy. He came into a season with a literal mushroom top. He isn't like all the greats who put in endless work to hone their craft. He is Johnny Manziel light. He doesn't have the addiction problems, but he definitely doesn't have the work ethic either. He wants to hang in Austin at the lake with his Instagram wife.
 
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