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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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It's not a personal insult to say the board is latent homosexual. Firstly, because being gay isn't a bad thing. Secondly, you can't deny the sexual tension in here. It's either going to end in all-out war or a digital orgy. I'm not saying I want the latter to happen, just that I am prepared for the moment I have to plough Nickers like the first crop of spring.

When duty calls;

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But I stand by the point. A sole unflattering picture taken of the guy during the offseason isn't the reason why he's had his struggles. Which, in my opinion, makes it worse. Like I said, I could handle it if he was lazy. It answers the question. Right now, I feel like we don't have the answer to why he's so against working with a tutor to fix his issues.


I agree.. It's not a good look
 
BDU you must be blocking out the year he showed up with a mushroom top while partying and getting fat all off season ,and he actually played fat all season. It was Kitchens year 2. I absolutely believe he is lazy, in comparison to the greats ...or let's go one step lower, a typical franchise QB.

How has he progressed? I haven't seen it. I have seen regression pretty much across the board. He has never been as good as he was rookie year. Maybe he isn't regressing, teams are just preying on his weaknesses, and they are many.
 
I am prepared for the moment I have to plough Nickers like the first crop of spring.
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you dont understand my point? If a GD plumber can put aside 6 hours a week to workout and be strong why cant a pro athlete? maybe If he had a better PHYSIQUE he wouldnt get injured making a simple tackle (BTW tackling with your goofy side like that is supa dumb,thats how you get hurt,If he ever played D he'd have known that)

we DO have the answer why he thinks hes too good for tutelage,Its the same reason he said at a presser it was up to him and him alone If he played,Its the same reason he threatened to demand a trade.(yeah which may have been exaggerated but I believe he did say something to that effect.) Its because the kids an arrogant entitled little prick (I say little because he aint 185cm,thats 6 foot.he looks @ 5'10" to me) the guy he tackled to get hurt is 6'1'' and he towered over baker.

I dont base this on his onfield performance just his offfield and offseason persona.which screams not quite ready for primetime.you said yourself BDU that he needs a fresh approach.that wont happen without an attitude adjustment aye.
they let him get sacked 126 times in his last game-that was no accident.they dropped him back 38 times with a banged up line for a reason. to teach the little punk a lesson in life.which no doubt he missed.his "comeback" after that humiliating performance was to lash out at the team thru MKC then retract it.thats a coincidence right?no it isnt. sadly this is the typical passive aggressive millennial response of today.the kids a diva.
 
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that was aggressive,let me soften it a little by saying I started out a massive baker fan.like all of us did (except BPP) Ive overlooked plenty of missteps and bad games before we got to this point.the kid has simply worn me down over time.he stomps off the field leaving his team mates to face the media.thats not a leader of men.thats not a franchise player.hes done so much wrong that Ive kinda seen enough .Ive said it before and I think it doesn't bare repeating because everyone knows hes going to be up against it in '22 bigtime and he needs to preform.from game 1.I really wonder If this FO has seen enough? after the MKC debacle..I wonder If its already too late? well,I think he deserves 1 last chance to shine but shine?he must.
 
I dont base this on his onfield performance just his offfield and offseason persona.which screams not quite ready for primetime.you said yourself BDU that he needs a fresh approach.that wont happen without an attitude adjustment aye.
they let him get sacked 126 times in his last game-that was no accident.they dropped him back 38 times with a banged up line for a reason. to teach the little punk a lesson in life.which no doubt he missed.his "comeback" after that humiliating performance was to lash out at the team thru MKC then retract it.thats a coincidence right?no it isnt. sadly this is the typical passive aggressive millennial response of today.the kids a diva.

I get where you're coming from. I just don't think he's entitled (The guy has worked damn hard, against all odds, to get where he is) or that he's lazy (Like I said, he's learned three offenses in three years). We disagree on the why, but not the what.

I don't think you're being too aggressive. Normally the Manziel-esque issues are to blame in this situation. I just don't think it's that. As I mentioned, I think it's his walk-on mentality. Maybe he feels like a failure asking a tutor to work with him on the fundamentals. He's always wanted to go it alone, prove himself and do it himself.

I do think Baker needs the right voice in his ear. For example, he has a great relationship with Bernie Kosar. If I was the Browns, I'd be asking Bernie to reach out and try to convince him to get that work in. Bernie is someone he likes and respects, as both a player and a person, and who has been a vocal supporter of Mayfield. Bernie also suffered the same injury and spoke about how much it impacts you - so he knows it's coming from a good place from the right person.

But, alas, we have no impact on what happens. We'll just have to wait and see.
 
You mean as opposed to your eloquent prose attacking a 73 year cancer survivor who doesn't even post here, using vulgarity to insult wives, and constantly making references to your bizarre fetish of cuckolding?

Yes, yes, yes, you are a regular fucking William Faulkner.
Awww how cute, someone's still triggered their low rent trailer trash boyfriend Rich4Gloryholes, the ultimate Yinzer fan is getting dissed. Why don't you do us all a solid and go join him in whatever AIDS hospice he is currently residing at.
 
As I said elsewhere Hays, a lot of great QBs were not taken early, and left a lot of teams wondering why TF they passed. Back on TBB at one time, Rich4Eagle posted an article or study/breakdown that showed just as many great, QBs came from 2nd or later rounds than came from the first round.

I will repeat, IF the analytics actually meant something, that is to say that they could predict good players with any more accuracy than pot luck/random guessing, then yes, I would say there are no promising QBs in this draft.

But you mark my words, there are. It may take a couple years, but it never fails to happen, we will be watching some 4th round QB lighting it up and say to ourselves, "how the fuck did we pass on this guy"?

I think the entire system of analyzing talent in the NFL is horseshit. I believe it is just more Millennial/Gen X coward shit. Because execs don't want to take responsibility for blown picks, they came up with all this analytical (laptop) shit, so they can blame it on the numbers, and say "hey, who knew, the analytics all pointed to this guy".

Every year, teams wind up with some diamonds in the rough, guys they never expected to be stars. We need guys who can pick those fuckers out.
LMAO you mean the same Rich4BBC's that posted on THIS board we should trade away the fucking draft to get the #1 pick to draft.... Drumroll please... Colt McCoy who he deemed the new Joe Montana. Yeah, good luck following that retards lead.
 
It's not a personal insult to say the board is latent homosexual. Firstly, because being gay isn't a bad thing. Secondly, you can't deny the sexual tension in here. It's either going to end in all-out war or a digital orgy. I'm not saying I want the latter to happen, just that I am prepared for the moment I have to plough Nickers like the first crop of spring.

When duty calls;

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But I stand by the point. A sole unflattering picture taken of the guy during the offseason isn't the reason why he's had his struggles. Which, in my opinion, makes it worse. Like I said, I could handle it if he was lazy. It answers the question. Right now, I feel like we don't have the answer to why he's so against working with a tutor to fix his issues.
We're only Gay for you, mate.
 
LMAO you mean the same Rich4BBC's that posted on THIS board we should trade away the fucking draft to get the #1 pick to draft.... Drumroll please... Colt McCoy who he deemed the new Joe Montana. Yeah, good luck following that retards lead.
Dude, get a fucking life. Football talk that you don't agree with doesn't make a person as you like to say, "a piece of shit". Grow up, already. It's football talk. If you were to open your receptacle of a mouth to someone's face and speak your bullshit, you wouldn't have any teeth left.
 
Dude, get a fucking life. Football talk that you don't agree with doesn't make a person as you like to say, "a piece of shit". Grow up, already. It's football talk. If you were to open your receptacle of a mouth to someone's face and speak your bullshit, you wouldn't have any teeth left.
Yeah, good luck with that fat ass. Guarantee you've never been in a fight in your life but keep trying to sound like a 450lb tough guy. You ain't shit trailer dweller, neither is your butt buddy the Steelers troll. You're both fucking clowns and have been for the last two decades. Don't you have some Pallmalls and scratch off lottos to go buy with what's left of your welfare check you worthless fuck?
 
I missed this little gem in my DM's. Seems lardass wants to pull a Richie Balestra and start trying to be an internet tough guy. I'm not about hiding shit in DM. Tell ya what, go scrape together a few welfare checks and fly your fat ass out to Las Vegas. I'm over at Odin's Hall MMA gym nightly from 6PM-8PM. Waddle your fat ass through the door and ask for Glen. We'll get you a waiver and soon as you sign it you can step on the mat with me.

Put up or shut your bitch made trailer park mouth Ghoolie.
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FFS you two, get a room or roll some jits will you? you've totally hijacked this great thread with your BS.
go roll some jits,you can compete and no one gets hurt..really. great idea! If you guys wanna fight? GO START A THREAD TO DO IT please. leave us to talk about our precarious QB position.Its important for the browns moving forward.SMH!
you're a pair of really nasty posters who add little to the debate here.just homoerotic language and profanity mainly.get lost.
 
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bakers tweet. oh - my - god. would someone tell this dumb kid to STFU! OBJ just won a SB. dont show yourself to be an immature crybaby whining fu&king sore loser whos jealous AF .FMD. I thought he was staying off SM?
say it to your friends and family sure not the fu&king world! this kid is out to lunch.he has no clue.he has no self restraint.
hes so petty and childish it annoys the fu^&k out of me.he's leading us into war? Id say "you 1st buddy" LOL
what do hardened vets like clowney think of a kid like this? those southern boys are raised tough down there. compared to a spoon fed pussy like mayfield. where was he on november 22nd 1963 anyway?
 
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FFS you two, get a room or roll some jits will you? you've totally hijacked this great thread with your BS.
go roll some jits,you can compete and no one gets hurt..really. great idea! If you guys wanna fight? GO START A THREAD TO DO IT please. leave us to talk about our precarious QB position.Its important for the browns moving forward.SMH!
you're a pair of really nasty posters who add little to the debate here.just homoerotic language and profanity mainly.get lost.
Agreed.
 
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