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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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bakers tweet. oh - my - god. would someone tell this dumb kid to STFU! OBJ just won a SB. dont show yourself to be an immature crybaby whining fu&king sore loser whos jealous AF .FMD. I thought he was staying off SM?
say it to your friends and family sure not the fu&king world! this kid is out to lunch.he has no clue.he has no self restraint.
hes so petty and childish it annoys the fu^&k out of me.he leading us into war? Id say "you 1st buddy" LOL
This was one of my issues with this guy all along. He is an NFL player engaged in social media nonsense, and after he said he was going to take a break. I have said this before and will say it again, he just does not have the maturity and ledership qualities to ever take the Browns anywhere.
 
Im really starting to dislike this kid. the staff and FO must hate this sh^t. you dont have to be happy for him but jeez.
have some GD self awareness kid. wanna be a real tough guy? throw all your SM in the trash for a start and instead of lying on the couch complaining on twitter go down to the gym and put in some real work on that chubby frame of yours fatboy.
 
One thing I find interesting is the way the narrative has changed. And with it, team colours.

Odell was getting the Baker treatment last year while he was out injured and Baker was leading this team to the playoffs. There were weekly graphs showing how much better Baker was without Odell during the broadcast, criticisms of Odell as holding the offense back and the Browns were better without him, and talk he would be released or traded. It was aggressive, unending and way too much.

This year, it was Baker injured and Odell having postseason success. The narrative flips. Baker is worse without Odell, he's holding the team back, he's paid too much, he's going to be released or traded. It has been aggressive, unending and way too much.

I think that's the reason the criticism of Mayfield is so over-the-top. Because the criticism of Odell was so over-the-top. And both were criticised as heavily as they were because people fucking love using the Browns as a punching bag. Our highs are never high enough, our lows couldn't possibly be lower. We can do no right, and are held to impossible standards.

As I've said before in my calmer moments, I think the Baker and Odell connection will eventually be remembered as them just never being healthy at the same time. Year one and two, Odell was injured for like 75% of games between the sports hernia (Still had a 1,000 yard season) and the ACL tear. Year three, Baker was injured before Odell got back from his ACL tear. And they were dealing with a pandemic which restricted their ability to learn Stefanski's offense and get on the same page.

It's hard to ask them to have an elite connection under those circumstances.
 
I think that's the reason the criticism of Mayfield is so over-the-top.
LMFAO! stop it. half his career hes been below average 2 years out of four. for a #1 draft pick? Its simply not good enough.
Its like you cant figure out the mystery why people dont like baker.dude Its as obvious as a woolly mammoth in the room.

baker doesnt like throwing outside the numbers.fact.If OBJ was a top TE he would have gotten his yards.
Its a positional thing.its not personal.baker will never be great with a non slot WR.ever.its not his style,its not his strength.
we've been over this ad nauseam. thats why njoku was out top receiver last year.Its why we run jumbo every other play.
why that is?we could (and already have) fill pages of debate.Its not my opinion,Ive seen every game hes played in the NFL.

bakers a gunslinger, which means he throws fast flat power passes best.not exclusively but best.which is why he throws so many INT's and he prefers to throw underneath not over the top.thats why we roll him out so much.he prefers to not have to throw around or over defenders. again not my opinion.favre made it work.can baker? it remains to be seen.traditional streaking WR's just dont fit baker style.If we had a DK or a deebo? have then run plenty of post routes or put em in the slot?we could have great success.having a guy like schwartz shows a fundamental misunderstanding of BM's strengths and abilities.that doesnt bode well for his future in cleveland.I hated that pick,over drafted and not a fit within our system.thats why I like london at #13.If we draft another short fast WR? it wont work either.gotta work em inside.forget the outside.It is what it is is what it is.

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tweeting is brave now?
baker flipped out because the guys dad posted a fu&king video? a video? of baker playing football?
I would have laughed it off.any confident mature person with the big picture in mind would have.
you really think peyton manning freaks out and gets the guy cut If this happened to him?
#19 would have pulled him aside and said just STFU and play football and Ill get you the GD ball.
later in the year he goes crying to MKC sayin he might ask for a trade.If there was any I mean any truth to that?the FO would find out.and If they found it to be a credible threat?baker might already be gone for all we know. It seems to me BM is a guy who throws his weight around behind the scenes.the video was pulled and OBJ denied it was him.
I still dont get what the big fu&king deal was TBH to cut the guy.a guy we need? baker is an oversensitive under preforming runt who has small man syndrome in a league of giants. hes insecure (thats why he played hurt) and fearful.I dont think hes going to come back and light up the league. not after some of the picks he threw last year.he thinks hes got the browns by the balls.he does.well,we shall see.NFL franchises dont like being jerked off by players.MKC knows the haslems.dont think for a second she hasnt had coffee and discussed this with them.I think theres a good chance baker is finished already. a very good chance. (she very probably has it recorded.)
"no that cant be true because the FO came out and said BM was their guy" yeah, they always say that right before they cut you.then the scouts are looking closely at QB's at the senior bowl.not the combine.the fu&king "who gives a sh^t" senior bowl. that given all we know is significant.they might give him 2 or 3 games or they might just dump him like hot trash.we shall see.men like jimmy haslem dont like being threatened by 26 year old kids.
 
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Tweeting is brave now? I don't know wtf you are talking about. Your opinions sway with the wind so it's hard to take any of them seriously.

Baker is a barely above average QB and I expect he will play that way next season. Just good enough to get a contract and lock us into just above mediocrity for the next several years while he gets fat again off his giant contract and lives it up between his new mansion in Austin, and his brand new mansion in L.A.

Why oh why couldn't we draft an Ohio kid like Burrow who loves it here and calls it home, involves himself in the local community, while living and breathing our passion with us.
 
One thing I find interesting is the way the narrative has changed. And with it, team colours.

Odell was getting the Baker treatment last year while he was out injured and Baker was leading this team to the playoffs. There were weekly graphs showing how much better Baker was without Odell during the broadcast, criticisms of Odell as holding the offense back and the Browns were better without him, and talk he would be released or traded. It was aggressive, unending and way too much.

This year, it was Baker injured and Odell having postseason success. The narrative flips. Baker is worse without Odell, he's holding the team back, he's paid too much, he's going to be released or traded. It has been aggressive, unending and way too much.

I think that's the reason the criticism of Mayfield is so over-the-top. Because the criticism of Odell was so over-the-top. And both were criticised as heavily as they were because people fucking love using the Browns as a punching bag. Our highs are never high enough, our lows couldn't possibly be lower. We can do no right, and are held to impossible standards.

As I've said before in my calmer moments, I think the Baker and Odell connection will eventually be remembered as them just never being healthy at the same time. Year one and two, Odell was injured for like 75% of games between the sports hernia (Still had a 1,000 yard season) and the ACL tear. Year three, Baker was injured before Odell got back from his ACL tear. And they were dealing with a pandemic which restricted their ability to learn Stefanski's offense and get on the same page.

It's hard to ask them to have an elite connection under those circumstances.
That's what the sports media does. Remember Moss? Dude was a cancer and holding the Vikings and Raiders back, soon as he went to New England the sports media turned him into Christ reincarnate. Same with Stafford, all we heard with Detroit is how the dude was a bust that needed replaced by a glorified running back at QB. Soon as he goes to the team Goodell built he is Peyton Manning/Tom Brady level of greatness.

It's not about what you do, it is about who you play for.
 
Your opinions sway with the wind so it's hard to take any of them seriously.
and your opinions never change, no matter what. which makes it hard to take any of them seriously.posters who never change their mind?well,thats everybody.you would be more comfortable If I were like everybody else? I bet you would.It takes guts to change your mind on an open forum.
Carson Wentz may be cut. I am all over him if he is.
oh hell no.thats not even a lateral move thats a down hill slide.with his contract? no.

Ive looked a little deeper into what MKC has said regarding bakers comments about being traded.
she fu&king made it up.she assumed that If changes werent made that the logical sequence would be that baker would ask for a trade.BTW she never said anywhere that baker said it at all. so shes a GD liar.confirmed.FAKE NEWS so there's a really good chance baker will start for the CB in game 1.hes going to get his chance at redemption which TBH he has earned.I am hopeful yet sceptical of his ability to bounce back.Its not a flip flop of my opinion at all just the facts surrounding baker and the trade fiasco.I still think he should start and that he might be successful in taking us to the playoffs.in that I have not wavered.
could I have just kept this to myself?sure I could have.I dont write here whats popular or trending.I write what I really think and what I really read. I am eddie "the truth" haymaker.have at it.
 
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