OconRecon
If you're juiceless, you're useless
I think we may be in 7 to 9 win no-man's land for a while
Browns Stefanski
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NDneighbor
Been here from the beginning.
If the Browns can get to 10 wins they're will be talk of grabbing a wild card.
Back in the 16 games per season era, Seattle once got to the playoffs with 7 wins.
Some "lights out" play will be required. (putting it mildly)
That sounds humorous right now but, we all know what happens when there's 2-3 games left.
Hope springs eternal. And the fan base will continue to be fanatics.
Stef has finally decided to manage the stuff that's needs micromanaging.
If he looked bored last week then he'll be looking for other things to micromanage.
About damn time too.
If the Stef/Dorsey/ Winston combo continues to jel we still might have a fun season.
Jameis seems to have the tools if not the intelligence. Interceptions can still mess it up.
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OconRecon
If you're juiceless, you're useless
I mean, there is no way the 1-6 record isn't mostly "on Watson". Stefanski's offense has been varying levels of productive with Mayfield, PJ, DTR, Winston, and Flacco. WHICH, is why Stefanski isn't going anywhere.
Watson was the vast majority of the problem.
Any other QB going forward will likely be better. I don't think, ftr, it's worth seeing "what we have DTR".
Watson was the vast majority of the problem.
Any other QB going forward will likely be better. I don't think, ftr, it's worth seeing "what we have DTR".
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MKO3090
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That is as fake a report as I've ever seen. Man signs a multi-year contract extension, a house in the area, and is working his dream job in a historic organization... And he wants out after a bad year? Right as a nightmare of a coworker (Watson) is over? C'mon man. Stefanski is here to stay. And we are better for it.
Vrabel would not have led the '23 Browns to the Playoffs. It's why 1 has 0 COYs and the other has 2. Would love to see him in Columbus though.
Vrabel would not have led the '23 Browns to the Playoffs. It's why 1 has 0 COYs and the other has 2. Would love to see him in Columbus though.
TheBestPlayersPlay
Die-Hard
Every year other than the Covid year has been a bad year. I don't think he wants out, I think it's over. Vrabel was brought on to observe and make a plan. Stefanski leaves, Vrabel takes over without missing a step.
MKO3090
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'23 was a bad year? News to me. I seem to remember a miraculous run to the playoffs led by a semi-retired QB we were forced to sign after injury and poor play. Ended poorly because that formerly couch-bound QB caught the INT bug, but a fun, successful season given the amount of injuries and bandaid fixes we had to make.
'21 was Baker's final year, where he played so poorly no one wanted him for trade, upon which he was again cut by the next team.
'22 was a wait for our "savior" Deshaun Watson, who somehow played much worse than Jacoby Brissett (who has done absolutely nothing since leaving Cleveland). Not that Brissett was bad, but he never has and never will lead a team to the playoffs. Good backup. Played better than Watson. A common theme.
'24 the Haslams tanked the season by forcing Watson to start until he tore his Achilles. Some of the worse QB play we have ever seen in Cleveland. In Cleveland.
2 - 3 Stefanski Playoffs vs. Out. What's the common theme? In the 2 years he made the playoffs, he had good QB play. Why? Because their shoulders were intact (not '21 Baker), they are/were legitimate starters (not Brisket), and they didn't have 10,000 skeletons in their closet (Watson).
'21 was Baker's final year, where he played so poorly no one wanted him for trade, upon which he was again cut by the next team.
'22 was a wait for our "savior" Deshaun Watson, who somehow played much worse than Jacoby Brissett (who has done absolutely nothing since leaving Cleveland). Not that Brissett was bad, but he never has and never will lead a team to the playoffs. Good backup. Played better than Watson. A common theme.
'24 the Haslams tanked the season by forcing Watson to start until he tore his Achilles. Some of the worse QB play we have ever seen in Cleveland. In Cleveland.
2 - 3 Stefanski Playoffs vs. Out. What's the common theme? In the 2 years he made the playoffs, he had good QB play. Why? Because their shoulders were intact (not '21 Baker), they are/were legitimate starters (not Brisket), and they didn't have 10,000 skeletons in their closet (Watson).
TheBestPlayersPlay
Die-Hard
We have been expecting to contend for the Superbowl for 5 years straight. Every year has been a disappointment. Every year but one Stefanksi has lost the locker room. Every year but 1 Stefanski's offense was trash the majority of the season. Stefanski was forced to fire coach after coach after coach after coach ...because his hand picked choices sucked out loud. Our GM went out and got some of the biggest signing in free agency. We had dream teams. Stefanski couldn't get it done.
I think I've nailed it. Vrabel is a done deal. Hopefully there is something already in place so he can't jump ship to the Buckeyes.
I think I've nailed it. Vrabel is a done deal. Hopefully there is something already in place so he can't jump ship to the Buckeyes.
OconRecon
If you're juiceless, you're useless
Stefanski stays. Book it. You have to look in the cracks of the media to find an opinion that he should go. Roberto and Jason as sources? Nah lol. I'm callin' bullshit. The vast majority feel he was saddled with a very untenable situation in Watson, and has made "sellable" lemonade out of that lemon.
90% of fan bases debate firing their coach annually. We're no different, so we'll debate away. The Bills and Eagles both did within the last 2 seasons. Steelers fans still annually call Tomlin "mid". Zac Taylor is fucking up a fantastic year from Burrow in Cinci. The Ravens have called for Harbaugh's head at times. How'd the Dolphins do without Tua?
Most coaches get let go after back to back losing seasons. He just inked a new contract. He was dealt a mega-shitty QB. Nobody thinks he mishandled Watson. If anything, he gets the benefit of the doubt for weathering that shit storm. He's been to the playoffs 2 of the last 4 years with HCOTY honors. He's young, smart, and still learning. He's yet to have a QB worth a shit, other than the one season where Baker was hot.
Cooper, Moore, Jeudy, Njoku have all had career high games with his offense.
This is the season we ride it out and see what next year brings. No Chubb and the worst QB in the league put us behind the 8 ball. I'm fine giving Dorsey some playcalling credit, but the caveat is he's doing with a different QB, and that can't be fairly ignored.
Of course, if he loses out, it's a different discussion. But, to make a judgement after Jameis is putting up league leading numbers since he took over as QB1 isn't happening. And hate KS the play-caller? That's fine, but Dorsey likely isn't going anywhere, so I'd be cool with a year 2 of the KS/KD tandem.
If, and I doubt it, he beats the Steelers this weekend, his division record alone will be admirable. In fact, he'll has the best AFCN divisional record.
FTR, I think this may be the game where Jameis gets exposed, kind of like Flacco vs the Texans last year. They're going to jump routes knowing Jameis is just going to plant-and-throw without caution.
90% of fan bases debate firing their coach annually. We're no different, so we'll debate away. The Bills and Eagles both did within the last 2 seasons. Steelers fans still annually call Tomlin "mid". Zac Taylor is fucking up a fantastic year from Burrow in Cinci. The Ravens have called for Harbaugh's head at times. How'd the Dolphins do without Tua?
Most coaches get let go after back to back losing seasons. He just inked a new contract. He was dealt a mega-shitty QB. Nobody thinks he mishandled Watson. If anything, he gets the benefit of the doubt for weathering that shit storm. He's been to the playoffs 2 of the last 4 years with HCOTY honors. He's young, smart, and still learning. He's yet to have a QB worth a shit, other than the one season where Baker was hot.
Cooper, Moore, Jeudy, Njoku have all had career high games with his offense.
This is the season we ride it out and see what next year brings. No Chubb and the worst QB in the league put us behind the 8 ball. I'm fine giving Dorsey some playcalling credit, but the caveat is he's doing with a different QB, and that can't be fairly ignored.
Of course, if he loses out, it's a different discussion. But, to make a judgement after Jameis is putting up league leading numbers since he took over as QB1 isn't happening. And hate KS the play-caller? That's fine, but Dorsey likely isn't going anywhere, so I'd be cool with a year 2 of the KS/KD tandem.
If, and I doubt it, he beats the Steelers this weekend, his division record alone will be admirable. In fact, he'll has the best AFCN divisional record.
FTR, I think this may be the game where Jameis gets exposed, kind of like Flacco vs the Texans last year. They're going to jump routes knowing Jameis is just going to plant-and-throw without caution.
jaydog
Football God
I'm still leaning toward Vrabel as the new HC, but I think there is time to salvage the season, if KS wants to stay here.
I would not believe anything LaCanfora's, Modell cock smoking, Raven fucking, NFL narrative promoting fat ass ever says about anything.
When I was fresh out of high school I took a job in a small metal fabricating shop. I bullshit my way in and subsequently made a lot of scrap. I just wasn't good at it and after about a year they added a guy. I knew the first time I saw him I was done and started looking for a new job. Sure as shit I was let go after three or four weeks and the new guy was fully integrated. No hard feelings by me, but when the company brings in a guy, Vrabel, who does the same thing as you, in this case KS, it's not good. At the start we were told Vrabel would not be on the sidelines during gameday. Lo and behold he is on the sidelines for every game, now. We all see it and I haven't seen any explanation why and what changed. It appears the media is afraid to ask the question too.
I would not believe anything LaCanfora's, Modell cock smoking, Raven fucking, NFL narrative promoting fat ass ever says about anything.
When I was fresh out of high school I took a job in a small metal fabricating shop. I bullshit my way in and subsequently made a lot of scrap. I just wasn't good at it and after about a year they added a guy. I knew the first time I saw him I was done and started looking for a new job. Sure as shit I was let go after three or four weeks and the new guy was fully integrated. No hard feelings by me, but when the company brings in a guy, Vrabel, who does the same thing as you, in this case KS, it's not good. At the start we were told Vrabel would not be on the sidelines during gameday. Lo and behold he is on the sidelines for every game, now. We all see it and I haven't seen any explanation why and what changed. It appears the media is afraid to ask the question too.
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3-9 baby it's the new 12-4
jaydog
Football God
So, if the team is talented, the GM is making good moves and the owner is spending money all over the place, but the team is 3-9 then who most likely is the reason for a 3-9 effort?
Seriously what is wrong that we are 3-9? Depodesta? KS? Or is there something else troubling this team? Watson is gone along with a couple other guys. We're still losing and will so in Pit more than likely.
Seriously what is wrong that we are 3-9? Depodesta? KS? Or is there something else troubling this team? Watson is gone along with a couple other guys. We're still losing and will so in Pit more than likely.
MKO3090
Member
Have we already forgotten Deshaun Watson in the 1st 7 games of the season? Or are we pretending the Haslams didn't force Watson to play?
MKO3090
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This reminds me of Mike Pettine. Was Pettine a good coach? Could he have led the team to the Playoffs? We'll never know. Because the Haslams forced Johnny Manziel onto him. Manziel, a man who now admits the professional game was not for him and was probably addicted to various substances, tanked any hope for that era. And Pettine was fired with his only chance at his dream job being sabotaged by the people upstairs. Since then he has been to 2 NFC Championship Games and is currently the Asst. HC/LB Coach for the 10 - 2 Vikings.
Of course, Stefanski is worlds ahead of where Pettine was because the FO isn't run by a complete idiot (Ray Farmer), even though the Haslams have done their best job to demonstrate their lack of growth (Watson Mandate). Respectfully, anyone who wants Stefanski gone is either being disingenous or doesn't really understand the cycle we're in. Fire Stefanski and he'll be a HC somewhere by '26. Keep him and we have a chance at building a consistent winner.
I want to see Stefanski with a professional, starting QB for more than a season. He hasn't had that, yet when he even has something approaching it (Baker, Flacco, Watson), everyone is having career seasons. The Watson Fiasco attempted to smother the baby before it could crawl, yet the Texans never got a top 10 pick from it. The house didn't completely collapse. And Watson is over now. We can finally start to open a new chapter with the HC who survived and sometimes thrived through the worst trade in NFL History.
Of course, Stefanski is worlds ahead of where Pettine was because the FO isn't run by a complete idiot (Ray Farmer), even though the Haslams have done their best job to demonstrate their lack of growth (Watson Mandate). Respectfully, anyone who wants Stefanski gone is either being disingenous or doesn't really understand the cycle we're in. Fire Stefanski and he'll be a HC somewhere by '26. Keep him and we have a chance at building a consistent winner.
I want to see Stefanski with a professional, starting QB for more than a season. He hasn't had that, yet when he even has something approaching it (Baker, Flacco, Watson), everyone is having career seasons. The Watson Fiasco attempted to smother the baby before it could crawl, yet the Texans never got a top 10 pick from it. The house didn't completely collapse. And Watson is over now. We can finally start to open a new chapter with the HC who survived and sometimes thrived through the worst trade in NFL History.