The_QCT
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It's a different league than when Joe Flacco was lighting it up in the Stefanski offense in 2023? LOL...
You don't need crazy athleticism to be a good QB in this league.
Browns The 2025 hunt for a QB
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It's a different league than when Joe Flacco was lighting it up in the Stefanski offense in 2023? LOL...
You don't need crazy athleticism to be a good QB in this league.
Martin Eden
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Look at the QBs winning today. Almost all make big plays with their feet. Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Daniels, Baker, Burrow, Herbert, Hurts, on and on. But you're right, you don't have to have crazy athleticism, but you need some. McCord is slow and kind of clumsy. We'll see. Maybe you're right. I'd rather have Howard.
The_QCT
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Way to dodge a point that completely destroyed your theory, lol.
You do realize that guys like Mahommes, Baker Herbert and Burrow are not the same as Allen Hurts and Lamar.
Mahommes, Herbert, Baker and Burrow are not 'mobile' QB's. They are QB's who can use mobility when needed.
McCord can also move around in the pocket, evade rushers and buy time just like those guys.
Martin Eden
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You've lost your mind if you think Mahomes isn't a great running QB. He just knows when to do it. And Burrow and Baker and Herbert are also very good runners, when they need to be. I never said they were in the same class as Allen or Lamar, or even Daniels as far as athletic talent goes. But it totally supports my assertion that you have to have some athleticism to be a successful QB in todays NFL. It's also the one question mark with Sanders. I think he's athletic enough and will run more in the NFL than he did in college. With all the shell defenses being played today, you have to take the running yards to keep them honest.
The_QCT
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1. You literally grouped them all together.
2. I think you're confused as to what a running QB is; and what a QB who is able to extend the plays with their legs are. Mahommes, Baker, Herbert, and Burrow are not 'running QB's'...never have been...and have never been considered as such.
But nonetheless...saying McCord isn't athletic enough for the NFL after just watching Flacco tear it up in Stefanski's offense is prime insanity.
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Martin Eden
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Lamar and Allen and Daniels are not "running QBs." Perhaps you can say that about Hurts, but not the others. Seriously, McCord should go to LA and learn from Stafford, or Detroit. He's going to need a hell of an offensive line to be productive. And I grouped them all together because all are very athletic QBs, clearly some more than others.
Martin Eden
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The only really good NFL QBs who are not decent runners right now are Stafford, Goff. Stafford has one of the great arms in NFL history and Goff plays behind the best o-line in football.
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OconRecon
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I'll do my best to support the QB we draft. I'm assuming there is zero chance we'll not draft one.
The_QCT
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I'm on the fence. I can't support Dart or Howard. Just too nonsensical and dumb for me to support any FO who truly thinks that is the best path forward when you have 2 potential franchise QB's staring you in the face. If we don't take Sanders or Ward #2...I might seriously be done.
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OconRecon
If you're juiceless, you're useless
I will say, I HATE the idea of not taking a QB at 2. It's idiotic for us.
Put this in a different thread, but knowing the info below, you draft a flippin' edge player? A franchise who spent years with Myles and JT, and have nearly nothing to show for it because of no QB?
PFF 2024:
Browns special teams ranked 4th
Browns defense was ranked 8th
Browns offense was ranked 32nd
Browns qb Winston ranked 35th
Browns qb Watson ranked 45th
DTR’s rating was lower than Watson’s
Zappe’s rating was lower than DTR’s
Put this in a different thread, but knowing the info below, you draft a flippin' edge player? A franchise who spent years with Myles and JT, and have nearly nothing to show for it because of no QB?
PFF 2024:
Browns special teams ranked 4th
Browns defense was ranked 8th
Browns offense was ranked 32nd
Browns qb Winston ranked 35th
Browns qb Watson ranked 45th
DTR’s rating was lower than Watson’s
Zappe’s rating was lower than DTR’s
Martin Eden
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It's a long time until the draft. "You will hear of wars and rumors of wars." -- Matthew 24-6. This is a monumental decision for the franchise. We need to think long-term. The Watson fiasco has set us back to where we were when we drafted Baker. Team has more talent now for sure. If somehow we pass on Sanders or Ward, we'll be, once again, the laughing stock of the league. 99% we take whichever is there.
And if I were either one of them, I'd be dying to get on this team. We're not far from being able to compete for the division. Either one has a real good chance of being successful here.
And if I were either one of them, I'd be dying to get on this team. We're not far from being able to compete for the division. Either one has a real good chance of being successful here.
next2nothing
The Doctor Is In
This is where I'm at now. I probably won't be done, but I would check out even more than I have recently.
TheBestPlayersPlay
Die-Hard
I'm a huge fan of signing Rodgers. The only QBs that can succeed in Stefanski's system are those who know enough to simply ignore him.
What's not to like about Rodgers numbers last season, compared to what we have?
What's not to like about Rodgers numbers last season, compared to what we have?
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The_QCT
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That Twitter account is one of the worst on X. They consistently post false stuff, lol
The_QCT
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Zegura is 1,000,000% right. No debate.
The idea of taking another position or trading down is an absolute loser mentality...ignorant, incompetent, and short-sighted. Nothing matters until you have a quarterback. Nothing.
We just had a generational defensive end for eight seasons. What do we have to show for it? Zero division titles, one playoff win. Myles Garrett just put together back-to-back Defensive Player of the Year seasons. What do we have to show for it? Zero division titles, zero playoff wins. So why on earth would you draft Carter—who isn’t generational—and think that somehow changes things? He’s mid against the run, undersized for a 4-3 NFL DE, and a clear downgrade from Myles.
We’ve had a three-time Pro Bowl, star cornerback for the last seven years. What do we have to show for it? Zero division titles, one playoff win. But now people want to draft Travis Hunter? A non-generational, two-way player who won’t be able to play 120 snaps per game in the NFL and isn’t the best CB or WR in this draft? Make it make sense.
Then there’s the “trade down” crowd. More picks, more picks, more picks. That’s the mentality of losers. The best teams take the best players when they are available, not pass on elite talent to stockpile lesser players. We’ve had a top defense under Schwartz. We’ve had a top offensive line for years. We had a dominant RB before injury. And yet—zero division titles, one playoff win. Amassing more mid-level players instead of getting a quarterback is just adding to the pile of mediocrity.
The only move that a competent GM makes here is drafting Ward or Sanders—preferably Sanders. You take the QB and take your swing. This is not a Zach Wilson situation. Both of these QBs have elite traits...different traits, but elite nonetheless...and the potential to be a franchise quarterback. Honestly, I could make a strong case that both are better than Caleb Williams, who just went No. 1 overall last year.
Bottom line: take the swing. Draft the QB.