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Browns The 2025 hunt for a QB

Damn…. Let it go. Baker wasn’t going to mature here and surely didn’t give off the franchise QB vibes

Even knowing what we know now DW was a swing at a franchise QB that failed miserably. But it was a swing g and compared to BM at the time not a terribly misguided swing.

We got cooked on the deal and it just adds to the debacle known as the Browns…

Yet here i am lol.
 
Damn…. Let it go. Baker wasn’t going to mature here and surely didn’t give off the franchise QB vibes

Even knowing what we know now DW was a swing at a franchise QB that failed miserably. But it was a swing g and compared to BM at the time not a terribly misguided swing.

We got cooked on the deal and it just adds to the debacle known as the Browns…

Yet here i am lol.
All good... but... do you really think Baker wouldn't have matured if the franchise had given him a vote of confidence after his injury plagued year and added more players and built on what we had? I beg to differ. We took the shot at Watson because we had given up on Baker. That is the decision that started it all.
 
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We took the shot at Watson because we had given up on Baker. That is the decision that started it all.
Yep, that's the bottom line. And we hoped the 3-time AllPro QB wouldn't turn into the 32nd ranked QB (there was NObody predicting THAT), and hopefully he wouldn't do something like break his shoulder, and then tear 2 achilles' or something, but he did.
 
GOOD!
Maybe we can get him the top of the 6th! Also, he looked to be consistently overthrowing the ball which could easily be fixed. Maybe.
If it were easy to fix, then why hasnt it been already?

This seems more of a "I have no idea what I am doing" vibe.

How did he do in college? Pretty good.
Why? Was it him or his team mates?

Seems like an great backup candidate.
 
I had grok analyze both QBs and determine which one has the highest likelihood to succeed. It didn't say much we don't already know, it did differ however on which QB would be better for the Browns, which is interesting. Do we want good, or do we want great?

To predict which of the two top quarterback prospects for the 2025 NFL Draft—Cam Ward (Miami) or Shedeur Sanders (Colorado)—is likely to have the most success at the NFL level, let’s break this down by analyzing their statistics, career trajectories, the schools they attended, and the competition they faced. This assessment will consider their college performance, playing styles, and how their skills might translate to the professional game.

Statistics Overview

Shedeur Sanders

Career Stats (Jackson State 2021-22, Colorado 2023-24):
47 starts across two schools.
1,705 pass attempts, 1,224 completions (71.8% completion rate).
13,613 passing yards, 127 passing touchdowns, 23 interceptions.
12 rushing touchdowns, modest rushing yards (not a primary runner).

2024 Season (Colorado):
4,134 yards, 37 TDs, 8 INTs, 74% completion rate.
Took 56 sacks, reflecting pressure from a weaker offensive line.
Key Strengths: Elite accuracy, high football IQ, and exceptional toughness under pressure (99 sacks over two seasons at Colorado). Excels in short-to-intermediate passing with anticipation and touch.

Cam Ward

Career Stats (Incarnate Word 2020-21, Washington State 2022-23, Miami 2024):
53 starts across three schools.
2,329 pass attempts, 1,536 completions (66% completion rate).
17,040 passing yards, 157 passing touchdowns, 37 interceptions.
17 rushing touchdowns, 2,000+ rushing yards (dynamic dual-threat ability).
2024 Season (Miami):
4,313 yards, 39 TDs, 7 INTs, 67% completion rate.
Added 4 rushing TDs, showcasing mobility.

Key Strengths: Big-play ability, strong arm, and athleticism. Thrives in chaotic situations and extends plays with his legs.

Career Trajectory

Shedeur Sanders
Schools: Jackson State (FCS, 2021-22), Colorado (FBS, 2023-24).

Trajectory: Sanders started at Jackson State under his father, Deion Sanders, dominating FCS competition with a pro-style offense. Transferring to Colorado, he stepped up to Power Five (Pac-12/Big 12) competition, maintaining high production despite a porous offensive line. His experience in a pro-style system under Pat Shurmur (a former NFL coach) at Colorado enhances his NFL readiness. Sanders has shown consistent improvement in accuracy and decision-making, with a notable reduction in interceptions from his FCS days (3 INTs in 2023 at Colorado vs. 8 in 2024 despite increased pressure).

Development: His progression reflects adaptability across offensive schemes and resilience against adversity, key traits for NFL success.

Cam Ward

Schools: Incarnate Word (FCS, 2020-21), Washington State (FBS, 2022-23), Miami (FBS, 2024).

Trajectory: Ward began modestly at Incarnate Word, then exploded at Washington State, showcasing his ability to produce against Pac-12 defenses. His transfer to Miami in 2024 elevated his draft stock further, leading the Hurricanes to a 10-2 record with an ACC Championship Game appearance. Ward’s career arc shows a steady rise in competition level, with his 2024 season highlighting his ability to perform against stronger defenses (e.g., Louisville, Florida). However, his decision to sit out the second half of the Pop-Tarts Bowl raises minor questions about his competitiveness in non-critical moments.
Development: Ward’s growth lies in his playmaking ability and athleticism, though he still exhibits occasional inconsistency (18 turnover-worthy plays in 2024 per PFF vs. Sanders’ 8).

Schools and Competition

Shedeur Sanders

Jackson State (FCS): Faced lower-tier FCS defenses, where he posted gaudy numbers (70%+ completion, 40 TDs in 2022). Limited exposure to elite competition.
Colorado (Pac-12/Big 12): Stepped into a rebuilding program with a weak offensive line but faced solid Power Five foes like Nebraska, Kansas State, and Utah. The Big 12 in 2024 wasn’t an elite conference, but Sanders consistently performed against respectable defenses (e.g., 388 yards vs. Kansas State). His stats held up despite facing the most pressure in FBS (197 pressures in 2023).

Takeaway: Sanders proved he could translate FCS dominance to FBS success, albeit against mid-tier competition with limited support.

Cam Ward

Incarnate Word (FCS): Similar to Sanders, dominated lesser competition early in his career.
Washington State (Pac-12): Faced credible Pac-12 defenses (e.g., Oregon, UCLA), averaging over 3,000 yards per season. Competition was solid but not elite.
Miami (ACC): Played against stronger ACC teams (e.g., Louisville, Virginia Tech) and an SEC opponent (Florida). Ward’s 2024 performance against Power Five defenses was impressive, though not overwhelmingly superior to Sanders’ (e.g., 319 yards vs. Florida in a loss). Miami’s better supporting cast (e.g., receivers like Xavier Restrepo) aided his production.

Takeaway: Ward faced slightly tougher competition overall and thrived, benefiting from better team talent at Miami.

NFL Translation and Prediction

Shedeur Sanders

Strengths: Sanders’ accuracy (74% in 2024), anticipation, and pocket presence mirror traits of successful NFL QBs like Jared Goff or Drew Brees. His experience in a pro-style offense and ability to read defenses pre-snap suggest a high floor. His toughness (standing in against pressure) and media-savvy persona could make him a franchise leader from Day 1.

Weaknesses: Limited arm strength and athleticism cap his ceiling—he’s not a dual-threat QB like Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen. His tendency to hold the ball (leading to sacks) must improve, though this is partly due to Colorado’s poor offensive line.

Best Fit: A team with a decent offensive line and a West Coast or timing-based offense (e.g., Las Vegas Raiders, Tennessee Titans) could maximize his strengths.

Cam Ward

Strengths: Ward’s arm talent, mobility, and improvisational skills evoke comparisons to Russell Wilson or Jayden Daniels. His ability to create outside structure and make deep throws gives him a higher ceiling than Sanders. His 2024 stats (39 TDs, 4 rushing TDs) highlight his dual-threat potential, a prized trait in today’s NFL.

Weaknesses: Less consistent accuracy (66% career completion) and decision-making (18 turnover-worthy plays in 2024) suggest a lower floor. His reliance on athleticism may not translate as well against faster NFL defenses if his processing doesn’t improve.

Best Fit: A creative offensive coordinator (e.g., Giants with Brian Daboll, Browns with Kevin Stefanski) could unlock his potential in a play-action, RPO-heavy system.

Prediction: Who Will Have More NFL Success?

Shedeur Sanders is the safer bet for immediate and sustained NFL success due to his polish, accuracy, and mental acuity. His high floor suggests he’ll be a reliable starter (think Kirk Cousins or Jared Goff), capable of elevating a team with moderate support. His trajectory from FCS to FBS shows adaptability, and his pro-style experience reduces the learning curve. However, his ceiling is limited by modest physical tools, likely capping him as a good-but-not-great QB.

Cam Ward has the higher upside and could become a star if he refines his decision-making and adapts to NFL speed. His dynamic playmaking aligns with the modern NFL’s emphasis on mobile QBs (e.g., Jalen Hurts, Justin Fields). Yet, his inconsistency and reliance on improvisation pose risks, especially if he lands on a dysfunctional team early.

Verdict: Cam Ward is more likely to achieve greater long-term success at the NFL level due to his superior physical gifts and playmaking ability, provided he lands in the right system and develops further. Sanders will likely be a steady, dependable starter, but Ward’s ceiling as a potential top-10 NFL QB gives him the edge in a league increasingly favoring dynamic talents. The 2025 draft process (e.g., Combine, interviews) and their landing spots will be critical, but Ward’s trajectory and tools suggest he could outshine Sanders over a full career.
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I also asked it to analyze the rest of the field and determine if any other QB was worthy of a top 10 pick:

Analysis and Prediction
Top-10 Worthiness: Among these QBs, Jalen Milroe has the best shot at cracking the top 10 due to his rare physical tools and the NFL’s love for dual-threat upside. Teams desperate for a QB (e.g., Giants at 7, Raiders at 6) might reach for him if Ward and Sanders are gone by picks 1-3. Dart and Ewers are more likely to land in the 15-25 range unless they dominate the pre-draft process (e.g., Combine, pro days), as their profiles don’t scream “elite” like Ward’s playmaking or Sanders’ precision.

Likelihood of Success: Milroe’s upside is tantalizing—he could become a star like Lamar Jackson if his passing improves—but his floor is lower than Ward’s or Sanders’ due to developmental needs. Dart and Ewers have clearer paths to being solid starters (e.g., 10-15 TD/season types), but neither matches Ward’s ceiling or Sanders’ readiness. Ward’s arm talent and mobility, paired with Sanders’ accuracy and IQ, give them a clearer trajectory to top-10 NFL QB status (e.g., 4,000-yard seasons, Pro Bowl potential).

Conclusion: Jalen Milroe is the only other QB with a realistic chance at a top-10 pick and success on par with Ward or Sanders, contingent on landing with a patient, innovative coaching staff (e.g., Eagles-style system). However, his likelihood of matching their success is lower due to his rawness—Ward and Sanders are more polished and safer bets. Dart and Ewers could sneak into the top 15 with strong pre-draft showings, but their ceilings suggest they’re a tier below in terms of NFL impact. For now, Ward and Sanders remain the class’ standout prospects
 
GOOD!
Maybe we can get him the top of the 6th! Also, he looked to be consistently overthrowing the ball which could easily be fixed. Maybe.

I'd like to have Howard at a 5th or 6th if he's there, especially if we get Sanders at #2. Howard would be a good package guy and perhaps someday a good back-up. Ward is such an athlete that we wouldn't need Howard.
 
I don't care who the Browns draft, Sign/Acquire.. I see another 6 win or below season on the horizon with Stef getting the boot by the bye.. And the FO getting ousted by seasons end... All Jimmy did was delay the inevitable... I would've cut bait already... I just see this team spinning wheels to nowhere..
 
Unless it was Jimmy who told AB he wanted Watson.

That's what makes sense to me because I can't see how this staff and FO stays, otherwise. Jimmy was directing the Watson addition in some way and it's not truly AB's fault or KS' fault what happened.
 
Unless it was Jimmy who told AB he wanted Watson.

That's what makes sense to me because I can't see how this staff and FO stays, otherwise. Jimmy was directing the Watson addition in some way and it's not truly AB's fault or KS' fault what happened.
100% that's the thought. McAfee brought this up the other day.

AB and Stefanski were VERY comfortable in their own skin at the combine.

The word was AB was initially interested in Watson, but when Watson ruled out the Browns, he cooled. Then, Haslam stepped in and told AB to get him and guarantee the entire contract.

THUS, AB still has a job and decent peace of mind.
 
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