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Wtf

That's weak man. Super weak.

Don't start shit, get a response, decide you're either unwilling or unable to respond intelligently, and then double down with another insult.

And yes, I'm American, but damn man you make us look bad getting your ass handed to you and all.
If you really care about me Show it !
Go use your skill of typing to defend my sorry Ass.....LOL

Another difference between BDU and me is He types for a living. me I've all my life hired someone for that task. Plus he's much better at talking than listening or in this case writing than reading. if he had read my posts on our handling of foreign affairs the past 60 years, I've disagreed 90% of the time.

Hell no one comes out of the womb with the poor education he has received since leaving his mothers body.

So do you agree with him ?
you made it sound that way...............just saying

Off to wash my hands
 
Okay Dan, keep your argument with my signature here and leave football talking there.
My signature is what it is rather you agree or not I do absolutely not care.
Bottom line is the vast majority of those whom will die were on deaths doorsteps anyways.
The lamestream news going as far as using video footage of Italy and advertising it as NYC only feeds my hoax of this is a media driven bull shit deal whereas the United states dead will about equal h1n1 &&&& ohh btw we DIDN'T SHUT OFF THE WORLD FOR THAT.

DK, just for the record, I agree with Dan regarding the existence of viruses. I have absolutely no doubt that the scientists who study viruses and viral infections know what they are doing. The coronavirus, like the flu virus, will be contained after we have the means to contain it.

Ideally, that would involve the development of a vaccine, but that will take months at least and we anticipate that we will be able to basically get back to normal much sooner than that when we get on the other side of the curve due to current mitigation and also when we have adequate testing capability to identify, contact trace and quarantine as needed to contain it.

The South Koreans example is one that we need to follow after we have the testing capability in place to follow it. The South Koreans have been much more successful that most other countries in controlling the virus. The following is an article which explains why they were so successful. First they have a relatively small population, but more important, they had an incredibly insightful CEO of a company capable of developing a testing methodology for the virus along with a Korean government regulatory agency that reduced the time to get their test approved from the normal year and a half down to one week. Obviously, this meant simply trusting the company that developed the test since approval in a week leaves no time for independent verification.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/asia/coronavirus-south-korea-testing-intl-hnk/index.html

In contrast, the initial testing method first developed by the United States was much more time consuming and cumbersome. And it took four or five days to get the results of the test. However, we now have an even better and faster test. Abbott Laboratories, have now developed an on site method that is also highly accurate and takes as little as five minutes to both perform the test and get the results. In addition they say that they are now able to produce a million tests per week.

https://www.thestreet.com/investing/stocks/abbott-rapid-coronavirus-test-fda-approval

Considering our population, we will need millions of tests strategically located around the country. I have been watching the daily briefings and in particular listening to what Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx have been saying, and I have the feeling that they are working feverishly behind the scenes to get the needed testing in place so that when we get on the other side of the curve, our testing capability will be ready. When both have been accomplished, we will be able to reopen the country.

In addition, there are drugs that are showing some promise in the fight and they are being produced in large quantities in the hope that they will be able to aid in the fight we will be waging after the current mitigation is ended. And, eventually, we will have a vaccine.

In the meantime, stay safe.
 
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I disagree. First, there is a lot to unpack in that convoluted tirade. But let's just examine a relatively small portion thereof"
Well, you didn't seem to disagree at all Cliff. You actually engaged. That was my singular point: Don't start shit, get a response from the opposing viewpoint, fail to engage, and close with an insult. Its weak.

I can say I've never, ever, seen you do it. :)
 
Well, you didn't seem to disagree at all Cliff. You actually engaged. That was my singular point: Don't start shit, get a response from the opposing viewpoint, fail to engage, and close with an insult. Its weak.

I can say I've never, ever, seen you do it. :)

I think you missed the point. You said that MMW’s response was weak. I disagree that it was weak. There are any number of ways to respond to a tirade. In explaining why I thought MMW’s response was not weak, I responded to a portion of BDU's tirade in a manner different than MMW in an effort to explain it. Merely because I responded differently for a reason does not mean that I think MMW’s response was weak. Indeed, I think his response was much stronger than mine.

And, for the record, I can not imagine how you could come to the conclusion that I agree with BDU in any meaningful way. Even when the conclusion of a particular arrives at a similar destination, the purpose is at odds.

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EDIT: after re-reading your post and mine I see now that I also missed a point. So let me clarify. In context, it now appears that you were saying that I seemed to agree with you (not BDU). But I disagree with you also. Here is why. When one is faced with emotion as opposed to reason, one has a choice. My choice in that case would have been to say nothing at all since there was nothing to gain by continuing the discussion. Emotion and reason does not mix. I engaged with you only to explain why I thought engagement was hopeless. But just because my choice was different than MMW's does not mean that I think his choice was weak.

EDIT: Just another point of clarification. I think BDU often makes lucid points, but he can go off at times. In the above discussion, I was referring to that particular post only, not to his posts in general. When I see something that interests me, regardless of the source, I tend to engage.
 
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Ok let me say it another way BDU,
Sure America didn’t respond quick enough
and now we are paying the price for it,so
there’s that.
Your an intelligent well read person so I’m going
to bet you know your history, if we hadn’t taken out
Japan, Australia would be speaking Japanese!
So please this is a world wide problem and political
shit throwing won’t solve it, so before you throw more
Poo on this country I suggest you relax your views
and opinions till we ALL get rid of this plague.
 
Ok let me say it another way BDU,
Sure America didn’t respond quick enough
and now we are paying the price for it,so
there’s that.
Your an intelligent well read person so I’m going
to bet you know your history, if we hadn’t taken out
Japan, Australia would be speaking Japanese!
So please this is a world wide problem and political
shit throwing won’t solve it, so before you throw more
Poo on this country I suggest you relax your views
and opinions till we ALL get rid of this plague.

I will deal with your second point first. To be honest, I don't think much of it. In a historical context, there are hundreds, perhaps thousands of what ifs like that.

Here is one for example: what if Churchill and the UK had not held off Hitler until the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor and the United States actually became interested in opposing Hitler? How difficult do you think a united Europe ruled by Hitler might have been to defeat? Perhaps we would all would be speaking German had it not been for Churchill and the UK.

As for the first, I think you concede too quickly. In some ways, it can be argued that we responded more rapidly than anyone else. For example, on January 28, only 4 days after the second confirmed case of the coronavirus in the United States, Trump expanded U.S. airport screenings to identify travelers showing symptoms and instituted mandatory quarantines for people showing symptoms. Then only a single day after the WHO declared a global health emergency of international concern and for the first time publicly confirmed the person-to-person spread of the coronavirus, Trump issued the ban on travel between China and the United States.

On February 4, the Trump administration directed the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to step up coronavirus diagnostic testing procedures.

On February 20, the Trump administration raised travel warnings to their highest level for Japan and South Korea in view of the number of cases in those two countries. This was six days before the first confirmed death in the United States.

On March 11, the WHO declared coronavirus a worldwide pandemic. The next day, on March 12, President Trump imposed travel restrictions on European nations.

In the early days, one of the major concerns in America was with cruise ships on the west coast. Containment and mitigation efforts in California and Washington state were largely successful with respect to the cruise ships. Unfortunately, New York City happened. The reasons for the apparent failure in New York are not readily apparent other than the apparent density of the city, but it is interesting that New York suddenly occurred in the middle of apparent containment and mitigation success on the west coast.

Regarding Testing:

There is no doubt that the response in terms of testing capability in the United States was inadequate initially. However, a case can scarcely be made that it was because of a late response by the Trump Administration. On February 4, only one week after the WHO publicly confirmed for the first time that person-to-person spread of the coronavirus was possible, the administration directed the FDA to step up efforts to develop testing for the virus.

I have already linked an article noting the reason for the success in South Korea. But for the convenience for the reader, I will link it again:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/asia/coronavirus-south-korea-testing-intl-hnk/index.html

However, note that as discussed in the article, this was after significant numbers of deaths had occurred in South Korea. The article does not mention it, but this was obviously because South Korea did not restrict travel from China as the United States did.

Also, it is well to note that we now have a better method for testing than the method developed and used in South Korea.
 
alright Cliff get some fresh air
Quarantine is getting the better of you!
Lol
Be well

Thanks for the levity. I needed that. I have also been suffering from an allergy for the past week. A week ago, the weather turned great and I decided to mow the grass, but forgot to wear a mask. Also it has been cold out the last several days. But, today, it got up into the 60s and I finally got a chance to work in the flower beds (with a mask). I planted some begonias. (I do the gardening in the family.)

I admit that it is kind of getting to me. I like my freedom and I do get out some. Last night, I drove to the post office to mail off some bills. Nobody else was there. I like burgers and I have used a Braum's drive through for a double cheeseburger with a cherry limeade and a salad a couple of times. But I have to limit the burgers because of the salt content which tends to elevate my already high blood pressure. My wife cooks without added salt for my benefit.

I have been doing the grocery shopping. I tried online grocery shopping since I understood it was safer, but got some dumb substitutions, and I really don't how it is much safer than me going shopping myself and using the self checkout to maintain social distancing when they come right to the window of your car to check on your identity.

I do want to do my part, but I guess I am a natural born libertarian. I freely admit that I don't like rules that restrict my movement. I miss not seeing my grandkids.
 
It’s all good Cliff,
Nothing wrong with gardening and doing things
that keep you busy and make you happy plus
your neighbors like there property values to
stay high by well kept houses, I know I do.

Cheeseburgers sound good might have to have
one for lunch tomorrow.
Be well and watch a movie or two and stop watching
the news everyday it could only bother you more than
it already has!
 
Do more

BDU
I don't think this is a time to trash others countries. I know yours and the UK pretty well. I'll just say all Gov everywhere is not the answer for much, they are more often the problem. in other words distrust them, you'll be right most of the time.

Brownsfan- limit the substitutions in your orders. stay home stay alive. I've been wiping off my grocers outside the past 3 weeks. 1 teaspoon bleach to 2 cups water gloves on. heck I leave the newspaper outside 24 hours. uh

Dawg Kennel - I can't blame him much at this point.

Two months ago today I made the first post here about this virus. it's now clear we to date have not done enough to slow this. blame Trump if you like. it's your go to thing the past 3 years. how could you stop now? but he's no doctor ...even. even I was surprised how he knew nothing about yearly flu deaths, I was told he is a germaphobe WTF ?

What Trump does is take input from others then makes a choice. I'll bet few were in favor of the travel ban on China. but he chose that option. he was right and now the naysayers(Fauci,Birx ? Fauci I'm pretty sure ), he holds it over their heads.

Martial law nationwide 3 weeks ago would have been the right call. we would be so far ahead if Trump would have done so. but could you even imagine the outcry from the media ? yet the right call. by the end of this month the virus would be near gone. until this happens this will go on. I say this as a Lover of Freedom, disliker of Gov. but it's a must.
 
Remember all the articles about "what if Trump refuses to leave the office after he loses"?

They pretty much took martial law off the table, because it would have been seen as a power grab...not the proper course of action.

Here is a stat you won't see in the media...the USA leads the world in number of COVID-19 tests performed....over doubling the next closest country.

...and again, NY/NJ have 48% of the cases, and 55% of the deaths...and they supposedly have the best healthcare in the US because it is basically Medicare for all. Scary.
 
Our totals beat #’s 2 and 3 combined in
total number of cases not deaths.
I’d like our president to stop being so petty
and just do his job he is acting like a child.

This is the time for him to lead, not firing
Naval commanders for alerting his chain of
command that he had cases on his boat.
The man actually ended up having the virus himself!

Very bush league and not the kind of leadership you
expect from our President.


The petty firing of Atkinson for bringing the
Whistleblower report to the WH is another
example of his need to attack anyone who
he feels slighted him.
The man was following protocol and just
doing his job.
As a nation don’t we have bigger issues
to deal with?
 
uh

Remember all the articles about "what if Trump refuses to leave the office after he loses"?

They pretty much took martial law off the table, because it would have been seen as a power grab...not the proper course of action.
If that is the reason...it's a poor excuse for not doing the right thing for the country as a whole. if done for 6-8 weeks it would have done so much good and fastly done.
good luck finding a bigger Trump supporter than me, but he's blowing it not doing so.

Here is a stat you won't see in the media...the USA leads the world in number of COVID-19 tests performed....over doubling the next closest country.
Those numbers are a bit ???
if you compare us to the EU (much fairer) they have done about 3 million or more tests done...........so whatever
 


The next open minded video.

No folks ANYBODY that thinks covid19 isn't or couldn't be laboratory designed and released on purpose is ass9ine.
Study the facts of terrorism 101.
As for trump and the administration, they are doing what a western civilization would do to keep the people calm. A balance beam to the ultimate level it is.
Keep your people calm without civil unrest yet try to eradicating the unwanted.

To my naysayer I've NEVER said there wasn't a issue with covid19, I do absolutely believe it's blown way up in lamestream media beyond apical control for any administration to handle without scrutiny.
Remember this, the world's elite rich never ever turn on each other, the elite always want more.

I definitely believe that there's more to this than we may ever know for fact.


What I see in my neighborhood is lightening however.
So many people out walking dogs and families walking around the block together. So much more than ever before.
To whomever is behind this, you lost your battle.
United we stand and walk our streets.
 
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Interestingly, the number of cases and deaths seem to have plateaued (even a slight dip) over the past 3 days in the US. Let's see if the media talks about that.
 
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