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The " Book It " thread!

Ok time for a new update,
This was a week ago

as of this post US numbers are
Confirmed cases-180909
Deaths-3634

Today 4-7-20
US cases-369,944
Us Deaths-11006

Global cases-1,325355
Global death-75,158

Top ten most infectious countries
USA-369,944
Spain-140,510
Italy-132,547
Germany-99,255
China-81,740
France-74,390
Iran-62,589
UK-51,608
Turkey-30,217
Switzerland-21,657

So by looking at these numbers we have
more cases than the next three countries
Combined.
USA has -11,006
last week-3,634
Close to 1,000 deaths per day.
 
We have also tested far more.

With that said, new cases have seemingly plateaued. The highest number was on 4/4 with over 34k...looks like today will be the 3rd straight day of not eclipsing that number.
 
I’m not a big fan of test results right now, surely
if you have symptoms get tested but those who test negative
have either a false sense of security and go to the store and
walk right into someone who is asymptomatic and boom your
infected.
Plus we all should be aware that this could come in waves by
the same thing I said already.
Let’s not jump the gun but it is encouraging that numbers have
Plateaued, if you want to believe these numbers, personally I
believe they could be reported lower to make the case...who knows?
 
So by looking at these numbers we have
more cases than the next three countries
Combined.

And we still lag in deaths behind Italy and Spain although we have almost 4 times the population of Italy and over 5 times the population of Spain. That will likely change in the coming weeks since we are closing there also and since a number of countries, including Italy and Spain, are ahead of us on the curve since they did not shut off travel from China when we did.

Nevertheless, it is fairly obvious that a number of countries have been hit harder per capita that us just as some of our states have been hit harder than others. Some of this is because of population density as well as local government policies. California has done particularly well for example while New York has largely failed. Part of this was likely due to lower population density in California than New York. Certainly, rural states seemed to have fared better than urban centers, perhaps for the same reason.

No doubt, there will be an inclination to fix blame. To help get that jump started, I offer the following timeline:

2019:

December: First case of coronavirus reported in Wuhan, China, early December.

2020:

January 14: World Health Organization (WHO) reported that: “Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in Wuhan, China.”

January 17, The CDC and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) announced that American citizens returning from travel-restricted countries were being rerouted to specific airports, where they would be screened and isolated.

January 17: The CDC issued statement, “based on current information, the risk from 2019-nCoV to the American public is currently deemed to be low.”

January 21: First confirmed case of the virus in the United States. A person arriving from China was confirmed to have the virus.

January 24: The CDC confirmed second case of the coronavirus in the United States while stating that “based on what we know right now, the immediate risk to America remains low.”

January 28: Trump expanded U.S. airport screenings to identify travelers showing symptoms and instituted mandatory quarantines for people showing symptoms.

January. 30: the WHO declared a global health emergency of international concern.

January. 30: CDC confirmed publicly for the first time that person-to-person spread of the coronavirus and applauded WHO’s decision to declare the global health emergency.

January 31: Trump issued the ban on travel between China and the United States.

January 31: Bernie Sanders said: It’s interesting that a President that has been demonizing immigrants, the first thing he could think about is closing the border.”

January 31: Joe Biden said: “This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia and fear mongering to lead the way instead of science.

February 4: Politico published article saying: “The Trump administration’s quarantine and travel ban in response to the Wuhan coronavirus could undercut international efforts to fight the outbreak by antagonizing Chinese leaders, as well as stigmatizing people of Asian descent, according to a growing chorus of public health experts and lawmakers.”

February 4: the Trump administration directed the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to step up coronavirus diagnostic testing procedures.

February 5: New York Times published article entitled: “Who Says It’s Not Safe to Travel to China?” The first sentence of the article was: “The coronavirus outbreak seems defined by two opposing forces: the astonishing efficiency with which the travel industry connects the world and a political moment dominated by xenophobic rhetoric and the building of walls.”

February 5: The CDC issued a public statement saying, “While we continue to believe the immediate risk of 2019nCoV exposure to the general public is low, CDC is undertaking measures to help keep that risk low.”

February 18: The CDC reaffirmed that the “risk to Americans from Coronavirus is low.”

February 20: The Trump administration raised travel warnings to their highest level for Japan and South Korea in view of the number of cases in those two countries.

February 24: Nancy Pelosi said: “You should come to Chinatown. It is very safe to be in Chinatown and hope that others will come. It’s lovely here. The food is delicious. The shops are prospering. The parade was great.

February 26: first case of suspected local transmission in the United States was announced by the CDC.

February 26: President Trump named Vice President Pence to lead the Coronavirus Task Force.

February 26: Andrew Cuomo said: “This situation is not a situation that should cause undue fear among people.

February 27: Pence named Dr. Deborah Birx to serve as the White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator.

February 29: First confirmed death in the United States.

February 29: Trump halted travel with Iran.

March 10: De Blasio said: “This disease even if you were to get it basically acts like a common cold.”

March 11, The WHO declared coronavirus a worldwide pandemic.

March 12: President Trump imposed travel restrictions on European nations.

March 16: The Trump administration issued new guidelines which essentially shut down significant portions of the country.

March 29: Trump announced an extension of the guidelines until April 30.

March 30: Dr Fauci said (In answer to a question from Jim Acosta after a description of the situation of the early days of the disease by Dr. Birx): “In a perfect world, it would have been nice to know what was going on there [in China]. We didn’t. But I believe, Jim, that we acted very, very early on that."

Make any additions you like.
 
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By the way, it should be understood that there is a difference between a lie and being wrong.

For example, when, on January 17, the CDC issued a statement indicating that the risk from the coronavirus to the American people was deemed to be low, they were wrong in their assessment.

Also, when New York Mayor De Blasio said that even if you get the coronavirus, it basically acts like a common cold, he was wrong.

However, when the World Health Organization (WHO) reported on January 14 that: "Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in Wuhan, China," that was a lie.
 
GO TRUMP ,
12 MORE YEARS,12 MORE YEARS!!!!!

IT WAS A PERFECT VIRUS,NOT MY FAULT NOT MY FAULT
THE CDC AND WHO WERE WORKING WITH BURISMA TO
UNDERMINE MY ELECTION.
TAKE COLQUIN, WHAT HAVE YOU GOT TO LOSE? Uhh my life?
Jesus Cliff are you taking lessons from BDU?
That back forty ain’t gonna plant itself!!

Seriously though,I’m past blame any president could have made
that mistake, we have had a different virus every year that never
amounts to much so as far as I’m concerned that’s water under
the bridge.
His handling of this crisis can come into question but right now
let’s just all be well and respectful of others when in public and
once we come out of this then we can get back to the election.
 
There is an ABC report that there was an intelligence report that warned of a coronavirus crisis as early as November. Furthermore, it :

According to ABC News:

As far back as late November, U.S. intelligence officials were warning that a contagion was sweeping through China’s Wuhan region, changing the patterns of life and business and posing a threat to the population, according to four sources briefed on the secret reporting.

****************

From that warning in November, the sources described repeated briefings through December for policy-makers and decision-makers across the federal government as well as the National Security Council at the White House. All of that culminated with a detailed explanation of the problem that appeared in the President’s Daily Brief of intelligence matters in early January, the sources said. For something to have appeared in the PDB, it would have had to go through weeks of vetting and analysis, according to people who have worked on presidential briefings in both Republican and Democratic administrations. the sources described repeated briefings through December for policy-makers and decision-makers across the federal government as well as the National Security Council at the White House. All of that culminated with a detailed explanation of the problem that appeared in the President’s Daily Brief of intelligence matters in early January, the sources said. For something to have appeared in the PDB, it would have had to go through weeks of vetting and analysis, according to people who have worked on presidential briefings in both Republican and Democratic administrations.

However, the pentagon has denied it. According to an update of the report, the Pentagon did not comment Tuesday, but on Wednesday evening following the publication of this report, the Defense Department provided a statement from Col. R. Shane Day, Director of the NCMI.

As a matter of practice the National Center for Medical Intelligence does not comment publicly on specific intelligence matters. However, in the interest of transparency during this current public health crisis, we can confirm that media reporting about the existence/release of a National Center for Medical Intelligence Coronavirus-related product/assessment in November of 2019 is not correct. No such NCMI product exists," the statement said.

Okay, so here we have four anonymous sources that say they have seen a copy of the report, and on the other hand, we have the statement of Col. Day, director of the NCMI, saying that the report is not correct.

Who do we believe? Who should we believe?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/int...isis-early-november-sources/story?id=70031273
 
A memo recently leaked to the New York Times written by Peter Navarro on January 29, 2020, warned that the coronavirus could kill 543,000 Americans and recommended that the President ban travel from China. Later, in February, in a subsequent memo, Navarro updated his estimate of the number of deaths to 1.2 million.

According to Navarro this memo was addressed to members of the Coronavirus Task Force that Trump had assembled earlier that day. Also according to Navarro, it was not seen by Trump at the time because it was not addressed to him.

However, it has been widely reported that it proves that Trump had direct information of the carnage that the virus could cause while at the same time attempting to downplay the danger.

As Salon put it:

The memo was dated Jan. 29 — the day that Trump appointed the coronavirus task force and a day before he claimed that "we have it very well under control" and dismissed the pandemic as a "very little problem." He went on to repeatedly compare the virus to the flu.
Trump has since claimed that the country was blindsided by the virus in spite of the warnings from Navarro and others.

"Nobody knew there'd be a pandemic or an epidemic of this proportion," he claimed last month.

https://www.salon.com/2020/04/08/to...ld-kill-12-million-months-ago-in-leaked-memo/

Of course, different people will interpret the situation in different ways. My interpretation is as follows:

Navarro was working properly within the group to which he had been assigned by the President and argued his case to the group in his memo. Apparently, although the President never saw the memo, itself, he was involved with discussions with the task force and two days later took an action recommended by the memo (banning travel from China). It seems likely that the memo may have been instrumental in the decision although the President never actually saw it (until recently after it had been leaked).

Much of the MSM will attempt to use the existence of the memo to discredit the President. The above quote from the Salon article is an example.
 
Anonymous sources

Anonymous sources have been circulating so much BS the past 3+ years I've lost trust of them. before that they were batting around .500. meaning there was some truth in what they said.

Taking what we think we know to date. it seems a bit too early. corona running wild from Nov till the commies did lock downs, it would have got to the near by areas and the west sooner it would seem. Taiwan 5 & Hong Kong 4 deaths to date.

"late November" is not a date lol a good source has one imo
 
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Cliff
I was tossing that about here on Feb 5 here
But guessing Trump doesn't read our little place. hahaha

I built my model in about 20 minutes.

Yeah, I would imagine that if he didn't read Navarro's memo, it might seem unlikely that he would have searched for an estimate from your model. Now, that is just an assumption, of course. I have no proof that the President wasn't sniffing around Barking Hard Church and State for your nuggets of wisdom. :)
 
It may have seemed like I was dismissing your support
of Trump or his responsibility for where we stand in the
wake of this probable new world in which we will live.

I whole heartily believe we still do not have accountability
on this virus, Putin and Russia haven’t reported at all and
as MMW pointed you really can’t trust China’s numbers
anymore than I trust our own here at home.
I believe we have far more infection and deaths than
are being reported.
Cliff brought up testing and yeah we have been testing
but that is a false sense of security because you think
your ok if you test negative but since your out and
decide to stop for an errand and run into someone who
has it but since you just got tested you feel emboldened
to try to return to some sort of normalcy.

Don’t forget once the curve starts downward we will see
a spike again because everyone wants to return to work
so we’re not at all out of the woods just yet.
Bottom line for me is cautious optimism.
FTR- these daily mini rally’s are really unbecoming of the
POTUS.
I totally get he is using these briefings because as much
as he wants to hate the press he is using them as political
fodder to remain relevant since he can’t hold rally’s right now.

Lastly yes we are Testing..... right now we’re at 0.7 of 1 percent
of the population tested in America.

Strange days ahead,be safe stay well.
 
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Weak

I trust our numbers as of today.
but I don't have much optimism yet. we are on day 24 of this stay home stuff. so by now all the new cases are after and most of the deaths since we started this weak response. it's knife to a shoot out stuff imo
by next week it will be 100% of both
 
Mad,
as I said you sounded the alarm early and like
most everyone this was blown off like the boy who
cried wolf.
Every year we’re inundated with some form of viral
scare that never really amounts to anything so as I
said I’m not trying to blame anyone for the slow
response but the actual handling of this has been quite
tame and right now everyone is talking like this has spiked
and it’s on its way out but didn’t we already know that if
we jump the gun this could easily return with the same
amount of numbers we currently.
Let’s take it slow.
Stay home and be well
Peace.
 
Pissed off

Furthermore these health entities(CDC,NIH etc) look like Colonel Klink & Sergeant Schultz. Masks good for us bad for You. you are too stupid to wear one correctly. then asking us stupid people to stay home. you don't ask stupid people, you should Order them forcefully. hell over the past week or so I've seen people who were to stupid to wear a mask correctly.

Why have Martial law ? if this was not a time to use it.... When ?

The one good thing they have shown us is these Models these wiz kids make up are about worthless.
take that from us deniers bitches.
 
Cliff brought up testing and yeah we have been testing
but that is a false sense of security because you think
your ok if you test negative but since your out and
decide to stop for an errand and run into someone who
has it but since you just got tested you feel emboldened
to try to return to some sort of normalcy.

Hi Dan, the big deal with testing is not personal assurance and comfort, it is for the health services to be able to quickly identify, contact trace and quarantine. An analogy would be the control of fire. Obviously, you will never be able to prevent fires completely, but you must be able to control them when they occur. What you really don't want is for fires to overwhelm your ability to control them.

After the current major outbreaks of the viruses are mitigated and we have enough testing in place that containment is possible without mitigation, we will get back to normal. The main component of containment is testing. When local health officials have the testing capability to contain local outbreaks of the virus by identifying, contract tracing and the quarantine of individuals with the disease, and are thus able to prevent local outbreaks from becoming widespread contamination requiring mitigation, businesses now shuttered such as bars and restaurants will reopen.

Part of the problem is training. To control this virus without mitigation, Local health departments must be ready to aggressively attack local problems before they become widespread problems. That is the main reason for Dr. Birx's emphasis on getting local health departments involved with more testing of healthcare officials now using the tests already on site. Part of it is getting local health departments accustomed to the increased testing that will be required after mitigation ends.
 
Furthermore these health entities(CDC,NIH etc) look like Colonel Klink & Sergeant Schultz. Masks good for us bad for You. you are too stupid to wear one correctly. then asking us stupid people to stay home. you don't ask stupid people, you should Order them forcefully. hell over the past week or so I've seen people who were to stupid to wear a mask correctly.

Why have Martial law ? if this was not a time to use it.... When ?

The one good thing they have shown us is these Models these wiz kids make up are about worthless.
take that from us deniers bitches.

I disagree that the action taken by the Trump administration was unduly weak. I think the response was about as strong as it was politically sustainable at the time. If you recall, Trump was impeached and being tried for abuse of power at the time he was taking some pretty unpopular actions to mitigate the damage.
 
Mad,
as I said you sounded the alarm early and like
most everyone this was blown off like the boy who
cried wolf.
Every year we’re inundated with some form of viral
scare that never really amounts to anything so as I
said I’m not trying to blame anyone for the slow
response but the actual handling of this has been quite
tame and right now everyone is talking like this has spiked
and it’s on its way out but didn’t we already know that if
we jump the gun this could easily return with the same
amount of numbers we currently.
Let’s take it slow.
Stay home and be well
Peace.

Dan, I disagree that the response was slow.

* One day after the WHO declared a global health emergency of international concern and the CDC confirmed publicly for the first time that person-to-person spread of the coronavirus and applauded WHO’s decision to declare the global health emergency, Trump issued the ban on travel between China and the United States.

I would say that that was a pretty quick response. If you disagree, please explain why.

* Two days after the CDC reaffirmed that the risk to Americans from Coronavirus was low, the Trump administration raised travel warnings to their highest level for Japan and South Korea in view of the number of cases in those two countries.

* The day the first case of suspected local transmission in the United States was announced by the CDC, President Trump named Vice President Pence to lead the Coronavirus Task Force. Two days later, Dr. Deborah Birx was appointed to serve as the White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator.

By the way, this was at a time when Andrew Cuomo was saying that "This situation is not a situation that should cause undue fear among people."

* The day after the WHO declared coronavirus a worldwide pandemic, President Trump imposed travel restrictions on European nations, and three days later, his administration issued new guidelines which essentially shut down significant portions of the country.

Seems to me that these actions were fairly rapid actions in response to the situation as it unfolded. It is true, of course, that he was not the Prophet Isaiah and did not have the gift of seeing into the future.

It is true, of course, that he downplayed the situation at times while taking strong action to mitigate the situation, but it is the actions he took that counts.

I mean, look at it this way, Dan, suppose I congratulated you for having such a strong jaw while at the same time punching you in the jaw. Which would you find the more significant? I can tell you how I would feel with the reverse. My attitude would be that talk is cheap; actions matter.
 
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