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It was inappropriate and should Trump be on the stage for
every daily briefing,really?
My post did address that most of what I write is from my
Opinion based by weighing both sides, not just a particular
source,FTR I have changed the channel on all three twenty
four hour news networks where I feel there shoveling shit
through the screen where as many people take it as gospel.

I have posted a few factoids that you haven’t addressed like
testing we still haven’t tested one percent of the population
yet.
Texas,Philadelphia,San Antonio, and several other states and
cities have
just started reporting an upswing in reported cases and deaths
so this is where I don’t believe our own numbers added to that
we aren’t posting nursing home cases?

that’s all for now but to address your question of inappropriate
remarks this one is straight from our friends at Fox News

 
It was inappropriate and should Trump be on the stage for
every daily briefing,really?
My post did address that most of what I write is from my
Opinion based by weighing both sides, not just a particular
source,FTR I have changed the channel on all three twenty
four hour news networks where I feel there shoveling shit
through the screen where as many people take it as gospel.

I have posted a few factoids that you haven’t addressed like
testing we still haven’t tested one percent of the population
yet.
Texas,Philadelphia,San Antonio, and several other states and
cities have
just started reporting an upswing in reported cases and deaths
so this is where I don’t believe our own numbers added to that
we aren’t posting nursing home cases?

that’s all for now but to address your question of inappropriate
remarks this one is straight from our friends at Fox News

Dan, about all I can say in regard to that supposed inappropriate remark, I saw nothing particularly wrong with it. His wife was a model, you know. Some people find remarks like that entertaining. It is stuff like that that allows him to fill stadiums, I understand. Personally I can take it or leave it. I was more interested in the substance of what he was saying than to look for reasons to find fault in an aside. But I suppose you can feel offended if you want.

One of the things I like about Trump is that he is more transparent than most. If you want to know how he feels about something, ask him. He'll tell you. And as for why he is at the briefings everyday, I would suppose one reason is that he is the President and the audience would pretty much dry up if he wasn't there and maybe he wants to keep the people informed.

As for your factoids, I probably ought to mention that at least the first one is out of date. I checked it because it was easy to check. As for the others, those are subject to interpretation and I generally look for experts for that. Also, it appears that there has been a significant upswing on testing in the last couple of weeks since the Abbott test came on line which will tend to increase the reporting of cases. As for deaths, there is a lag of a couple or so weeks for deaths so deaths tend to show what was happening a couple of weeks ago. We will have a much better idea of where we are going in another week.
 
Dr. Fauci

MON, FEB 3 2020


Mar 13, 2020


As I look this guy over using a QB standard (this is a sports forum) he's kinda Like DA he had a good season with HIV. he never got to his SB a vaccine. he oversee's millions of dollar for many years. been questioned about this ... has been a bit vague to say the least. just like the CDC and any other Govt agency. all I'm saying is look him over a bit closely. I'm not alone.
Dr. Fauci Needs to Amend His Recent Praise of WHO Director-General Tedros
https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/20...nd-his-praise-for-who-director-general-tedros
 
My respect for Cliff grows with every calm response he makes.

I’ve a lot to learn in the art of debate and Cliff you are remarkable with your patience.

The problem is that I have more questions than answers. The question the CNBC interviewer asked Dr. Fauci in the first video seemed like a good question at the time: if the virus is so contagious, how come there was not more widespread infection on the planes coming from China? In other words, if it was so contagious, how come half the plane didn't become infected?

I would like for somebody to explain that.

Also, I have a question of my own. How come we were able to contain the virus in California and Washington State so successfully and then, with seemingly no warning, New York City suddenly blows up? How did that happen?
 
Explain that

Also, I have a question of my own. How come we were able to contain the virus in California and Washington State so successfully and then, with seemingly no warning, New York City suddenly blows up? How did that happen?
Just a guess
In NYC Person to person contact is so high. subways, taxi's,streets & Broadway etc . out west they are in cars more, thus separated.

The problem is that I have more questions than answers. The question the CNBC interviewer asked Dr. Fauci in the first video seemed like a good question at the time: if the virus is so contagious, how come there was not more widespread infection on the planes coming from China? In other words, if it was so contagious, how come half the plane didn't become infected?

I would like for somebody to explain that.
Note the date 2-3-20
We had no testing
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-...s-own-test-but-the-distribution-was-limited-4

Early on there were likely deaths/cases not reported at that time. we imported(as I recall) 40,000 people from China back home. if they were not showing signs they were told to stay home "self quarantine" 14 days etc just guessing here......many never did.

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Just found this
430,000 People Have Traveled From China to U.S. Since Coronavirus Surfaced
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/us/coronavirus-china-travel-restrictions.html
 
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Just a guess
In NYC Person to person contact is so high. subways, taxi's,streets & Broadway etc . out west they are in cars more, thus separated.

But that doesn't seem to explain how plane loads of people from China could have arrived with individuals having the disease but without half the plane being infected after hours in flight. I mean why should the disease seemingly explode on 30 minute subway rides when it didn't after hours on a plane from China?

Note the date 2-3-20
We had no testing
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-...s-own-test-but-the-distribution-was-limited-4

Early on there were likely deaths/cases not reported at that time. we imported(as I recall) 40,000 people from China back home. if they were not showing signs they were told to stay home "self quarantine" 14 days etc just guessing here......many never did.

Having some difficulty with this link. Illustrations not showing up and I couldn't find a date. The date you gave, 2-3-20, makes no sense to me since there are discussions until March 6 at which time the dates change to mention of week days and anecdotal complaints about the lack of testing. However to get an idea of how the timeline lines up with other events, I have added the quotes containing a date to the timeline I posted earlier. In addition, I have added the timeline date for the Abbott Labs 5-15 minute test (in bold) for context: See below:

2019:

December: First case of coronavirus reported in Wuhan, China, early December.

The initial outbreak was first reported in China on December 31.

2020:

By January 10, a Shanghai laboratory had sequenced the virus' genome.

January 14: World Health Organization (WHO) reported that: “Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in Wuhan, China.”

January 17, The CDC and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) announced that American citizens returning from travel-restricted countries were being rerouted to specific airports, where they would be screened and isolated.

January 17: The CDC issued statement, “based on current information, the risk from 2019-nCoV to the American public is currently deemed to be low.”

German scientists produced the first diagnostic test a week later [January 17]. The researchers started developing candidate tests before the COVID-19 genome was announced using genetic sequences for SARS-related viruses. Once the COVID-19 sequence was available, they quickly released a diagnostic test on January 17.

January 21: First confirmed case of the virus in the United States. A person arriving from China was confirmed to have the virus.

January 24: The CDC confirmed second case of the coronavirus in the United States while stating that “based on what we know right now, the immediate risk to America remains low.”

The US opted to develop its own test, but the distribution was limited. The CDC publicly released the details of its test on January 24.

January 28: Trump expanded U.S. airport screenings to identify travelers showing symptoms and instituted mandatory quarantines for people showing symptoms.

January. 30: the WHO declared a global health emergency of international concern.

January. 30: CDC confirmed publicly for the first time that person-to-person spread of the coronavirus and applauded WHO’s decision to declare the global health emergency.

January 31: Trump issued the ban on travel between China and the United States.

January 31: Bernie Sanders said: It’s interesting that a President that has been demonizing immigrants, the first thing he could think about is closing the border.”

January 31: Joe Biden said: “This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia and fear mongering to lead the way instead of science.

February 4: Politico published article saying: “The Trump administration’s quarantine and travel ban in response to the Wuhan coronavirus could undercut international efforts to fight the outbreak by antagonizing Chinese leaders, as well as stigmatizing people of Asian descent, according to a growing chorus of public health experts and lawmakers.”

February 4: the Trump administration directed the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to step up coronavirus diagnostic testing procedures.

The US test was approved by the Food and Drug Administration on February 4 — around two weeks after the first case was reported in Washington and more than a month after the outbreak was first reported in China.

February 5: New York Times published article entitled: “Who Says It’s Not Safe to Travel to China?” The first sentence of the article was: “The coronavirus outbreak seems defined by two opposing forces: the astonishing efficiency with which the travel industry connects the world and a political moment dominated by xenophobic rhetoric and the building of walls.”

February 5: The CDC issued a public statement saying, “While we continue to believe the immediate risk of 2019nCoV exposure to the general public is low, CDC is undertaking measures to help keep that risk low.”

The World Health Organization began shipping [the German] tests out to countries during the first week of February. On February 6, WHO reported that it was shipping about 250,000 tests to 159 laboratories around the world.

The CDC shipped 90 test kits [US Test] to state public health labs on February 6 and 7. By that point, the US had only confirmed about a dozen coronavirus cases, including two cases of person-to-person transmission.

A problem with one ingredient in the US tests caused more than half of state labs to receive inconclusive results. The CDC announced the issue with its tests on February 12. In response to the error, the agency said it would replace the ingredient and manufacture new tests. In the meantime, labs had to send samples to the CDC in Atlanta to confirm a case. That caused a delay of up to 48 hours between testing and confirmation.

February 18: The CDC reaffirmed that the “risk to Americans from Coronavirus is low.”

February 20: The Trump administration raised travel warnings to their highest level for Japan and South Korea in view of the number of cases in those two countries.

February 24: Nancy Pelosi said: “You should come to Chinatown. It is very safe to be in Chinatown and hope that others will come. It’s lovely here. The food is delicious. The shops are prospering. The parade was great.

February 26: first case of suspected local transmission in the United States was announced by the CDC.

February 26: President Trump named Vice President Pence to lead the Coronavirus Task Force.

February 26: Andrew Cuomo said: “This situation is not a situation that should cause undue fear among people.

February 27: Pence named Dr. Deborah Birx to serve as the White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator.

The FDA began allowing academic hospital labs to develop and use their own coronavirus tests on February 29. The policy only applied to labs that were certified to perform "high-complexity testing," but it expanded the number of tests that could be performed daily.

February 29: First confirmed death in the United States.

February 29: Trump halted travel with Iran.

Vice President Pence said on March 4 that more than 2,500 kits were being distributed across the country that week — enough for 1.5 million tests. Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar confirmed that the government had shipped enough materials for 700,000 tests as of March 6. Two days later, FDA commissioner Stephen Hahn estimated that 1.1 million tests had been sent out to public labs.

March 10: De Blasio said: “This disease even if you were to get it basically acts like a common cold.”

March 11, The WHO declared coronavirus a worldwide pandemic.

March 12: President Trump imposed travel restrictions on European nations.

March 16: The Trump administration issued new guidelines which essentially shut down significant portions of the country.

March 28, The Abbott Laboratories’ 5-15 minute test was approved by the FDA.

March 29: Trump announced an extension of the guidelines until April 30.

March 30: Dr Fauci said (In answer to a question from Jim Acosta after a description of the situation of the early days of the disease by Dr. Birx): “In a perfect world, it would have been nice to know what was going on there [in China]. We didn’t. But I believe, Jim, that we acted very, very early on that."

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Just found this
430,000 People Have Traveled From China to U.S. Since Coronavirus Surfaced
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/us/coronavirus-china-travel-restrictions.html

I do not have a NYT subscription and have no intention of obtaining one.
 
This is going to sound like a conspiracy theory so be forewarned.

It is of course possible that I have simply misunderstood some things. But it seems to me that I am being asked to accept that the virus was imported to the US by travelers from China having the coronavirus. For example, it was reported that on January 17 the CDC and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) announced that American citizens returning from travel-restricted countries were being rerouted to specific airports, where they would be screened and isolated. Then on January 21, the first confirmed case of the virus in the United States was announced. A person arriving from China was confirmed to have the virus. Three days later, the CDC confirmed a second case.

That seems like a rather leisurely schedule.

I once flew to Singapore and I can tell you I thought the flight would never end. It seemed to take forever. Also a plane is an enclosed space. The cabin is pressurized so the circulation of air of necessity is limited—unlike a subway with doors being opened to outside air periodically. Seems to me that if there was even just one case of the virus on the plane, that by the time it landed, half the plane should have been infected.

There was an ABC report of a November intelligence report by the military's National Center for Medical Intelligence (NCMI) warning that a contagion was sweeping through China’s Wuhan region. It raised alarms because an out-of-control disease would pose a serious threat to U.S. forces in Asia—which was, of course, dutifully ignored by the Trump Administration according to the report.

The Pentagon has denied it and said that there was no such report. Maybe so. But regardless, whether there was an actual report by the NCMI or not, is it possible (yes I know, the usual conspiracy theory question prep) that the virus had been active in China since November and most of the people on those planes carrying passengers with the disease were people who had already contracted the disease and were immune? Is it possible (yeah, that question prep again) that that is the reason that the coronavirus seemed to be considerably less dangerous in the beginning than it eventually turned out to be when it entered the subway system in New York and found a virgin population?
 
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Listen closely, I just had a long conversation my sister in Maryland.
Medical personnel are being told to count any death as a covid19 death EVEN IF THEY WERE NOT TESTED.
FURTHERMORE THEIR UNDER A GAG ORDER OR BE FIRED.
 
Listen closely, I just had a long conversation my sister in Maryland.
Medical personnel are being told to count any death as a covid19 death EVEN IF THEY WERE NOT TESTED.
FURTHERMORE THEIR UNDER A GAG ORDER OR BE FIRED.
Thanks for the heads up.

This has been the status quo for quite some time.
I hope everyone is safe and the classification is secondary

It’s pretty obvious that numbers are gonna be manipulated. I hope everyone can stay clear of the actual virus as it looks to be nasty.

Common sense and wash your hands goes along ways....
 
Got your back here Cliff

I do not have a NYT subscription and have no intention of obtaining one.



430,000 People Have Traveled From China to U.S. Since Coronavirus Surfaced

There were 1,300 direct flights to 17 cities before President Trump’s travel restrictions. Since then, nearly 40,000 Americans and other authorized travelers have made the trip, some this past week and many with spotty screening.

By Steve Eder, Henry Fountain, Michael H. Keller, Muyi Xiao and Alexandra Stevenson
April 4, 2020



Since Chinese officials disclosed the outbreak of a mysterious pneumonialike illness to international health officials on New Year’s Eve, at least 430,000 people have arrived in the United States on direct flights from China, including nearly 40,000 in the two months after President Trump imposed restrictions on such travel, according to an analysis of data collected in both countries.

The bulk of the passengers, who were of multiple nationalities, arrived in January, at airports in Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York, Chicago, Seattle, Newark and Detroit. Thousands of them flew directly from Wuhan, the center of the coronavirus outbreak, as American public health officials were only beginning to assess the risks to the United States.

Flights continued this past week, the data show, with passengers traveling from Beijing to Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York, under rules that exempt Americans and some others from the clampdown that took effect on Feb. 2. In all, 279 flights from China have arrived in the United States since then, and screening procedures have been uneven, interviews show.

Mr. Trump has repeatedly suggested that his travel measures impeded the virus’s spread in the United States. “I do think we were very early, but I also think that we were very smart, because we stopped China,” he said at a briefing on Tuesday, adding, “That was probably the biggest decision we made so far.” Last month, he said, “We’re the ones that kept China out of here.”

But the analysis of the flight and other data by The New York Times shows the travel measures, however effective, may have come too late to have “kept China out,” particularly in light of recent statements from health officials that as many as 25 percent of people infected with the virus may never show symptoms. Many infectious-disease experts suspect that the virus had been spreading undetected for weeks after the first American case was confirmed, in Washington State, on Jan. 20, and that it had continued to be introduced. In fact, no one knows when the virus first arrived in the United States.

During the first half of January, when Chinese officials were underplaying the severity of the outbreak, no travelers from China were screened for potential exposure to the virus. Health screening began in mid-January, but only for a number of travelers who had been in Wuhan and only at the airports in Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York. By that time, about 4,000 people had already entered the United States directly from Wuhan, according to VariFlight, an aviation data company based in China. The measures were expanded to all passengers from China two weeks later.

In a statement on Friday, Hogan Gidley, a White House spokesman, described Mr. Trump’s travel restrictions as a “bold decisive action which medical professionals say will prove to have saved countless lives.” The policy took effect, he said, at a time when the global health community did not yet “know the level of transmission or asymptomatic spread.”

Trump administration officials have also said they received significant pushback about imposing the restrictions even when they did. At the time, the World Health Organization was not recommending travel restrictions, Chinese officials rebuffed them and some scientists questioned whether curtailing travel would do any good. Some Democrats in Congress said they could lead to discrimination.

In interviews, multiple travelers who arrived after the screening was expanded s

Sabrina Fitch, 23, flew from China to Kennedy International Airport in New York on March 23. She and the 40 or so other passengers had their temperature taken twice while en route and were required to fill out forms about their travels and health, she said.

“Besides looking at our passports, they didn’t question us like we normally are questioned,” said Ms. Fitch, who had been teaching English in China. “So it was kind of weird, because everyone expected the opposite, where you get a lot of questions. But once we filled out the little health form, no one really cared.”

In January, before the broad screening was in place, there were over 1,300 direct passenger flights from China to the United States, according to VariFlight and two American firms, MyRadar and FlightAware. About 381,000 travelers flew directly from China to the United States that month, about a quarter of whom were American, according to data from the Department of Commerce’s International Trade Administration.

In addition, untold others arrived from China on itineraries that first stopped in another country. While actual passenger counts for indirect fliers were not available, Sofia Boza-Holman, a spokeswoman for the Department of Homeland Security, said they represented about a quarter of travelers from China. The restrictions, she added, reduced all passengers from the country by about 99 percent.

Mr. Trump issued his first travel restrictions related to the virus on Jan. 31, one day after the World Health Organization declared the outbreak a global health emergency. In a presidential proclamation, he barred foreign nationals from entering the country if they had been in China during the prior two weeks. The order exempted American citizens, green-card holders and their noncitizen relatives — exceptions roundly recognized as necessary to allow residents to return home and prevent families from being separated. It did not apply to flights from Hong Kong and Macau.

About 60 percent of travelers on direct flights from China in February were not American citizens, according to the most recently available government data. Most of the flights were operated by Chinese airlines after American carriers halted theirs.

At a news conference about the restrictions, Alex M. Azar II, the health secretary, repeatedly emphasized that “the risk is low” for Americans. He added, “Our job is to work to keep that that way.”

Health officials also announced an expansion of the screening beyond arrivals from Wuhan. Dr. Robert R. Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, explained that people would be screened for “significant risk, as well as any evidence of symptoms.” If there was no reason for additional examination, “they would be allowed to complete their travel back to their home, where they then will be monitored by the local health departments in a self-monitoring situation in their home.”

The procedures called for screening to be conducted in empty sections of the airports, usually past customs areas. Passengers would line up and spend a minute or two having their temperature taken and being asked about their health and travel history. Those with a fever or self-reported symptoms like a cough would get a medical evaluation, and if they were thought to have been infected or exposed to the virus, they would be sent to a hospital where local health officials would take over.

Passengers would also be given information cards about the virus and symptoms. Later versions advised people to stay at home for two weeks.

In a statement on Thursday, the C.D.C. described the entry screening as “part of a layered approach” that could “slow and reduce the spread of disease” when used with other public health measures.

“We cannot stop all introductions,” the C.D.C. added, noting that the coronavirus pandemic was “especially challenging due to asymptomatic and presymptomatic infections and an incubation period of up to two weeks.”

Separately, on Friday, the Department of Homeland Security said in a statement that the administration’s measures were “unprecedented” and allowed “the U.S. to stay ahead of the outbreak as it developed.”

Passengers including Mr. Wu described a cursory screening process when they arrived in the United States.

Mr. Wu, who has had no symptoms and has not become ill, said he was told to stay inside for 14 days when he landed in Los Angeles. He said he received two reminder messages the next day by email and text, but no further follow-up.

Another traveler, Chandler Jurinka, said his experience on Feb. 29 had an even more haphazard feel. He flew from Beijing to Seattle, with stops in Tokyo and Vancouver.

At the Seattle-Tacoma airport, he said, an immigration officer went through his documents and asked questions unrelated to the virus about his job and life in China. At no point did anyone take his temperature, he said.

“He hands me my passport and forms and says, ‘Oh, by the way, you haven’t been to Wuhan, have you?’” Mr. Jurinka said. “And then he says, ‘You don’t have a fever, right?’”

Like others, he left the airport with a card that recommended two weeks of self-quarantine and a promise that someone would call to check up on him. He said he never got a call.

Other travelers also said the follow-up from local health departments was hit-or-miss. Some received only emails or texts.

Jacinda Passmore, 23, a former English teacher in China who flew into Dallas on March 10, after a layover in Tokyo, got a thorough screening at the Dallas-Fort Worth airport. It took about 40 minutes, she said, before she was cleared for her flight home to Little Rock, Ark.

State health workers later dropped off thermometers at her house and insisted her entire family stay home for two weeks and provide updates on their condition.

“They asked us every day: ‘Have you stayed inside? Have you met anyone? Have you been quarantined?’” Ms. Passmore said. “They’re really nice about it. They said, ‘If you need anything, we can go grocery-shopping for you.’”

Nineteen flights departed Wuhan in January for New York or San Francisco — and the flights were largely full, according to VariFlight. For about 4,000 travelers, there was no enhanced screening.

On Jan. 17, the federal government began screening travelers from Wuhan, but only 400 more passengers arrived on direct flights before Chinese authorities shut down the airport. Scott Liu, 56, a Wuhan native and a textile importer who lives in New York, caught the last commercial flight, on Jan. 22.

Mr. Liu had gone to Wuhan for the Spring Festival on Jan. 6, but decided to come back early as the outbreak worsened. At the Wuhan airport, staff checked his temperature. On the flight, he and other passengers filled a health declaration form, which included questions about symptoms like fever, cough or difficulty breathing.

After they arrived at J.F.K. in New York, the passengers were directed to go through a temperature checkpoint. “It was very fast,” he said. “If your temperature is normal, they will just let you in.”

Mr. Liu said no one asked him questions about his travel history or health, and he received a card with information about what to do if he developed symptoms. At the time, there were no instructions to isolate. Mr. Liu said he and his friends all decided to do so anyway.

“I stayed at home for almost 20 days,” he said.

About 800 passengers on five charter flights were later evacuated from Wuhan by the U.S. government and directed to military bases, where they waited out two weeks of quarantine.

The charter flights began on Jan. 29. Instagram posts from one showed C.D.C. officials in full protective gear on the plane and escorting passengers after landing.

One group of passengers was eventually flown to Omaha to be taken by bus to a National Guard camp for quarantine. Video showed them accompanied by a full police escort, with lights flashing, helicopters overhead and intersections blocked off along the way.



Here's a graph ..... maybe
could not but here's the text

In January, more than 1,300 flights from China arrived at 17 U.S. airports
That month, about 381,000 passengers arrived from China, according to U.S. Department of Commerce data.

Los Angeles (LAX)
San Francisco (SFO)
New York (JFK)
Chicago (ORD)
Seattle (SEA)
Newark (EWR)
Detroit (DTW)
Washington (IAD)
Boston (BOS)
Dallas (DFW)
Honolulu (HNL)
Atlanta (ATL)
Houston (IAH)
San Jose (SJC)
Las Vegas (LAS)
Denver (DEN)
St. Louis (STL)
 
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But that doesn't seem to explain how plane loads of people from China could have arrived with individuals having the disease but without half the plane being infected after hours in flight. I mean why should the disease seemingly explode on 30 minute subway rides when it didn't after hours on a plane from China?
There's no way to know that those planes didn't infect those passengers. they were not tested.

Having some difficulty with this link. Illustrations not showing up and I couldn't find a date. The date you gave, 2-3-20, makes no sense to me since there are discussions until March 6 at which time the dates change to mention of week days and anecdotal complaints about the lack of testing.
use chrome on the link. works for me.
the 2-3-20 date references the cnbc video of Dr. Fauci
the business insider date Mar 11, 2020, 5:18 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-coronavirus-testing-problems-timeline-2020-3
 
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Much unknown

There was an ABC report of a November intelligence report by the military's National Center for Medical Intelligence (NCMI) warning that a contagion was sweeping through China’s Wuhan region. It raised alarms because an out-of-control disease would pose a serious threat to U.S. forces in Asia—which was, of course, dutifully ignored by the Trump Administration according to the report.

The Pentagon has denied it and said that there was no such report. Maybe so. But regardless, whether there was an actual report by the NCMI or not, is it possible (yes I know, the usual conspiracy theory question prep) that the virus had been active in China since November and most of the people on those planes carrying passengers with the disease were people who had already contracted the disease and were immune? Is it possible (yeah, that question prep again) that that is the reason that the coronavirus seemed to be considerably less dangerous in the beginning than it eventually turned out to be when it entered the subway system in New York and found a virgin population?
If this timeline(Nov) is true, early cases/death were likely blamed on simple flu.
 
MMW,

Thanks for posting the article. I don't doubt a word of it.

I would mention, however, that the key words in the title refers to when the coronavirus surfaced which is apparently when the Chinese government acknowledged its existence on December 31. They refer to Trump's statements on his travel restrictions but include, as they say, passengers from China before the restrictions. Specifically, they include the 381,000 travelers during the month of January before the travel restrictions were announced. Presumably, that means that 49,000 people have entered the United States from China since the travel restrictions were installed.

Assuming that the travel restrictions had not been implemented, at approximately 381,000 passengers per month, that would have amounted to about 840,000 passengers between January 31 and now. Would anyone want to argue that reducing the number of travelers from China from 840,000 to 49,000 did not result in saving lives?

As for the remaining 49,000 people that have returned to the US since the travel restrictions went into effect, I suppose that a significant portion of those were part of the State Department effort to get American citizens home who had been stranded in other countries due to the travel restrictions. Secretary Pompeo recently reported on the 50,000 Americans that the State department has "rescued" in the past two months since the travel restrictions went into effect in one of the recent daily briefings.

Finally, I would mention that the government is a bureaucracy and that bureaucracies are generally govern by rules designed to protect them from interference from anyone, even the President, or, sometimes, especially the President. Thus the President can issue an order but it is the bureaucracy that executes it. A government the size of ours by its very nature is cumbersome, and ours seem to be especially cumbersome.
 
Conspiracy theory

This is going to sound like a conspiracy theory so be forewarned.
That wasn't much of a conspiracy theory...lol work on that

We have the 2 known theories. the wet market(whatever the fuck that is) and the report I posted about the Lab. I'm a Lab-er at this point.

Got a far out thought/theory also. not ready to share all or type it out yet.:oldtimer:

mainly a targeted germ warfare thing. likely proposed somewhere by some one already.
 
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Assuming that the travel restrictions had not been implemented, at approximately 381,000 passengers per month, that would have amounted to about 840,000 passengers between January 31 and now. Would anyone want to argue that reducing the number of travelers from China from 840,000 to 49,000 did not result in saving lives?
I can agree. yet we'll never know.
That 381,000 is a larger than average rate. maybe they knew something ?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/214813/number-of-visitors-to-the-us-from-china/

Finally, I would mention that the government is a bureaucracy and that bureaucracies are generally govern by rules designed to protect them from interference from anyone, even the President, or, sometimes, especially the President. Thus the President can issue an order but it is the bureaucracy that executes it. A government the size of ours by its very nature is cumbersome, and ours seem to be especially cumbersome.
I agree. and why I would have picked Martial Law..Power move
 
Listen closely, I just had a long conversation my sister in Maryland.
Medical personnel are being told to count any death as a covid19 death EVEN IF THEY WERE NOT TESTED.
FURTHERMORE THEIR UNDER A GAG ORDER OR BE FIRED.


Okay so this morning I stopped for a coffee, I started to mention what sis told me yesterday as a woman walked in, the random woman said she works at a hospital and she did have scrubs on. I stated about calling any death covid19 without testing, she snarky replied they don't need to test people to call it covid19, I reiterated how can you call a death covid19 without testing them? She said they can tell if it was a respiratory infection without testing she then stormed out.


I challenge everyone of you to question hospital personnel about this in your city.

I'm once again calling this a HOAX
 
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AOC Remained in Posh D.C. Apartment as Coronavirus Ravaged Her District

Dem primary opponent slams 'out of touch' AOC

"She is out of touch," Caruso-Cabrera said in a statement. "For weeks families have been worried about where they are going to get their next paycheck. AOC hasn't been here to see their desperation and their struggle to survive. Why is she in DC when Congress isn't in session?"

Ocasio-Cortez moved into her luxury Navy Yard apartment in 2019 after expressing concern that she would be unable to afford D.C. rent. The building boasts an abundance of amenities, including an indoor pool, rooftop pool, rooftop dog park, Peloton cycling studio, yoga studio, private massage rooms with hydromassage beds, a golf simulator, basketball court, racquetball court, and rooftop tennis court. Ocasio-Cortez downplayed the extravagances in June, saying that a New York City public housing complex she toured looked "just like my luxury apartment."
https://freebeacon.com/2020-electio...partment-as-coronavirus-ravaged-her-district/
more fun reading
 
I can agree. yet we'll never know.
That 381,000 is a larger than average rate. maybe they knew something ?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/214813/number-of-visitors-to-the-us-from-china/


I agree. and why I would have picked Martial Law..Power move

Re. 381,000 being larger than average, I don't know how many is the average. The link you gave indicated that there was 3 million Chinese visitors from China in 2018 but that presumably does not include American visitors to China. The 381,000 passengers were traveling on regular scheduled flights and the number of scheduled flights are typically based on the number of people traveling back and forth. Including Americans visiting China, I would imagine the average is closer to 381,000 per month than 250,000 per month. But it would be interesting to know how many people were going the other way in January 2020.

I think Martial law would be perceived as an impeachable offense. I suspect that the Senate would convict.
 
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