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But everyday we don’t talk about
40 million people filing or trying
to file for unemployment or real
people who have lost everything
I guess you consider that a win?

I originally posted this on the Investigating Investigators thread, but have decided that it belongs here. I have deleted this portion of the post in that thread:

The other problem is not solved by talking. It is solved by action. All states much reopen quickly. They must reopen safely, but they must reopen.

The first thing we need to understand is that the problem was never barbers and hair stylists in the first place. Barbers and stylists have a local clientele. Keep things local and if there is a fire, it will be a small one easily extinguished. Nor was the problem local bars, restaurants and churches for the same reason. There may be a local problem in a church, but when everybody knows everybody, the fire, if it happens, can be quickly extinguished. The real problem areas were/are mass transit and air travel that cover significant distances and spread the virus far and wide. Those never went away because they were and are considered essential.

It is useful to know that the surfaces scare had no significant basis. The CDC has backed off from that. The significant method of infection is person to person. Social distancing and face covering are effective. They should be used.
 
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Dr. Birx asking CDC to investigate 3 coronavirus hotspots: LA, Chicago, DC

By Brie Stimson | Fox News

https://www.foxnews.com/health/dr-b...estigate-3-coronavirus-hotspots-la-chicago-dc

Three major U.S. cities remain persistent hotspots for coronavirus -- even amid stay-at-home restrictions -- so White House coronavirus response coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx said Friday she's asking the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to find out why.

Birx identified the cities as Los Angeles, Chicago and Washington, D.C.

Chicago and Washington DC might make sense with their extensive mass transit systems. With most people in DC having a job associated with the government, one might suppose that their subways are probably still pretty full, but LA, in particular, is a puzzle. One would not think of LA as a likely hot spot with most people commuting in cars.
 
Whatever,
Get out there and spend your stimulus money!
I rather enjoy car companies approach to this
pandemic, “we will waive your first three payments
and make the second three for you”
That just screams let’s go buy a new car we can make
it about nine months before they repossess it!!!

Let’s start being assholes about wearing masks because
it’s fun to mess with people who are working in the midst
of this pandemic to provide people a safe working or shopping
environment and you find it funny? Your rights are being
infringed upon?
How about everyone’s right not to get sick from there dumbasses.

Or just ignore the whole thing reopen all of it, this fall and winter
are going to be epic.
 
Whatever,
Get out there and spend your stimulus money!
I rather enjoy car companies approach to this
pandemic, “we will waive your first three payments
and make the second three for you”
That just screams let’s go buy a new car we can make
it about nine months before they repossess it!!!

Let’s start being assholes about wearing masks because
it’s fun to mess with people who are working in the midst
of this pandemic to provide people a safe working or shopping
environment and you find it funny? Your rights are being
infringed upon?
How about everyone’s right not to get sick from there dumbasses.

Or just ignore the whole thing reopen all of it, this fall and winter
are going to be epic.

There is nothing funny about the coronavirus. It is a scourge of monumental proportions. However, we had best learn how to live with it or we will die. Closing down and remaining closed down solves nothing. What we have before us is not a binary decision. Whether we open or not does not determine whether we live or die. Instead, it is more like remain closed down and die or learn how we can open relatively safely and take our chances.

The three hot spots that Dr. Birx has expressed specific and significant concern for are not cities in states that are opening. She isn’t worried about Miami, Atlanta or Dallas. Sure people will die in Miami, Atlanta and Dallas too, but apparently in smaller numbers than Washington DC, Chicago and Los Angeles. And Dr. Birx wants to know why.

She wants to know why cities that are in lock down are experiencing particular pain from the virus. The reasons are not related to opening because those cities are not opening in any significant way.

Personally, I would prefer to take my chances in Miami, Atlanta or Dallas than die in Washington DC, Chicago or Los Angeles
 
I get your point Cliff,
You think your safe where you live let’s talk after flu season,
when the country is fully open,run down to Taco Bell, support
your local economy, I’m sure teenagers are smart enough to
wear masks in a red state,enjoy!
I’m voting by mail and staying as safe as I possibly can and I’m
not eating anywhere but at home till next April or as long as the
waves continue.
This is the movie “Jaws” all over again.
Can’t lose the tourist dollar, sure some people
are going to get eaten but considering the money
what’s a life really worth?
 
Well, yes, Dan, I do think it is relatively safer where I live than where you live, but if I lived where you live I would still take the same precautions I take here. I wear a mask and social distance when I leave the house. I would do the same there.

Regardless of the relative safety, I don't think the major problem is barbers or hair stylists. And, yes, I read about the hair stylist in Missouri that came to work with symptoms and later tested positive for the coronavirus potentially infecting up to 91 people, 84 customers and 6 other stylists. Fortunately, both she and her customers were wearing masks. Perhaps we will find out if any of her customers contracted the disease and I am sure we will if any were infected. But the point is that contact tracing is easy in this case since they have records of each of their customers.

It shouldn't have happened, but it did. Even so, if there are cases of the coronavirus as a result of opening hair salons, the are readily extinguished with testing and contact tracing. The same applies to local bars, restaurants and churches. Local businesses with local people are not the significant problem they were made out to be.

Opening the economy of a state may risk a few extra people getting sick, but the vast majority of those getting sick recover. In the meantime, you have avoided huge numbers of people dying from things like suicide and drug overdoses as well as problems such as spousal abuse and so forth.

In the past couple of months, the danger in both New York and New Jersey has been greatly reduced. In the past month, New York has dropped from about 8000 new cases per day to about 1500. New Jersey has dropped from about 3000 new cases per day to about 1000.

However the number of their cases is no longer dropping. In the past couple of weeks both states have hit a plateau they can't seem to escape. Thus, it appears to me that waiting longer will provide no benefit. And actually, their numbers are now not that far from the numbers of Texas or Florida. Texas and Florida are opening without significant problems and certainly none that they won't be able to handle.

The point is this: either way, people will die from the virus. Stay closed and there will be numerous additional deaths from other causes.
 
Game changer

Bring this back over here to this unbranded thread. LOL

No doubt the commies screwed the world on PPE.

The flat out lying surely changed the whole game. if we had used masks even home made ones the spread Even to Nursing homes would have slowed. at anywhere near 75% it is the Biggest defense we have.

Trump not wearing/selling a mask... for me is the worse act of his presidency.
imo Trump is now about as frustrated as me. he listened to so called experts who likely painted a rosier picture of the lockdown death wise etc. now he has this mess.... for what he must think. I hope he comes clean in his book on this. I also hope he doesn't get to that writing till 2024.
 
A change may be happening with the coronavirus worldwide. See charts for new cases and death for the world as a whole here:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

The coronavirus took a while to gain traction, but around the beginning of March, both new cases and deaths per day took a sharp upward turn until about the first week in April at which time new cases continued upward at a much reduced pace while deaths took a comparable downward turn.

Since the first week in April, new cases per day had increased from about 85,000 new cases per day to about 115,000 new case and during that same period, deaths have descended from about 7,800 deaths per day to about 5,200 deaths per day.

However, there is at least a slight indication that in the past week, the new cases per day may be accelerating again and the number of deaths per day may be reversing course and starting upward again. This bears watching.
 
George Floyd tested positive for coronavirus April 3

https://www.twincities.com/2020/06/...tested-positive-in-april-but-had-no-symptoms/
George Floyd had an asymptomatic COVID-19 infection when he died in the custody of Minneapolis police, according to an autopsy report released Wednesday.

Floyd tested positive for the coronavirus on April 3, according to the report by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner’s Office.

Presumably, he would have known he was infected. It’s unclear if he was ever sick, though.


Asymptomatic Still ?
At the very least 54 days after his test. we've been told a person could not test positive for 2 weeks. thus getting a quarantine for 2 weeks.

I've read about cases that lasted 52-53 ? days in the hospital then released. the patient had rid the virus weeks ago, yet need the extra stay to recover.

Is there something wrong with this reporting or a new twist (at least for me).

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A woman says she's had 8 positive coronavirus tests in 50 days. How long can it really take to recover?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-symptoms-8-positive-tests-50-days/

This
Dr. Amesh A. Adalja, a senior scholar at Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, told CBS News that persistent positive coronavirus tests do not necessarily mean the virus is actively persisting inside of a person. "The test isn't detecting viable virus, the test is detecting genetic material from the virus," Adalja said.
 
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At what point is the criminal and who should be proscuted.....

CDC admitted they screwed up COVID19 infection counts and intentionally misled the public and have apologized, clarifying that the amount of people truly infected is much lower than what was originally reported
An error so egregious it made the director of the Harvard Global Health Institute say “how could the CDC make this mistake? This is a mess."
The American Coronavirus Task Force also admitted to fudging the National COVID19 death count when Dr. Birx said the deaths are people who died “with” COVID19 not “from” COVID19, thus making the real death count much lower than what is currently being reported
Dr. Anthony Fauci admitted masks won’t help against the virus and mask manufacturers are now including warnings that their products do not deter COVID19
He also said that continuing to close the country could cause irreparable damage
CDC backtracked their initial claim that led governors to shutdown their states & clarified that COVID19 does not spread easily on surfaces
Governor of New York Andrew Cuomo confirmed a recent health study showing that 70% of new infections actually originate at home, thus making stay at home orders one of the most dangerous mandates currently in place
Trump stopped funding the WHO and threatened to cut off money permanently until they can prove they are no longer corruptly influenced by communist China after they lied to our country about human to human transmission of COVID19 in January
The curve is flattened, the CDC, WHO, Dr. Fauci, our governors, and many more were completely wrong about the potential threat of this virus
Even California is opening up sooner than anyone expected because the evidence contradicts the long standing and inaccurate narrative still upheld by the extremely dishonest & corrupt media
If you are still living in fear. Don’t be. The media, global organizations, the government, and its agencies “mislead” the public
People called those of us who knew this all along conspiracy theorists, but it turns out we were just following the facts!
Open up your businesses, churches, and homes. Don’t fall for the lies any longer. If you fell for the lies this time, wake up and join the army of truth seekers fighting on the front lines
The #CDC just confirmed a .26% death-rate for COVID19.....
For that, we have:
* Added nearly 6 trillion to national debt
* Laid-off or furloughed 50 million workers
* Placed 60 million on food stamps
* Gone from 3.5%to 14.7% unemployment
* Crippled the petroleum industry
* Ruined the tourism industry
* Bankrupted the service industry
* Caused an impending meat and protein crisis
* Threatened, fined, and arrested church leaders
* Exacerbated mental health problems
* Shut down schools and colleges
* Given unbridled power to unelected officials
* Increased suicides higher than COVID deaths
* Delayed surgeries and treatments for profound illnesses
* Infringed upon countless important civil liberties
* Placed 300 million Americans on house arrest
These consequences are largely due to two things:
The first is our view of government as a god that can control Providence and plagues. In our hubris, we increasingly view the government as a deity who can stop acts of nature.
The second is our sniveling, 21st-century commitment to safety.
Our desire to be “safe” ruined our fiscal, physical, medical, food, energy, and national security.
Unfortunately there is no vaccine for cultural fragility.
I copied and reposted. You can too.
 
So much there

At what point is the criminal and who should be proscuted.....
Would take me way too long to go thru this line by line.

This is/was a event we hadn't seen in 100 years. were there going to be mistakes/miscalculations ?
sure

It's not like the virus was fake. just unknown. has it added to our trust in Gov ? hell no
Anyone who trusts Gov is always going to be let down it's just a matter of when. ours even more so.
There were 2 Gov who got it right Australia & New Zealand look at their numbers 30 million people 124 deaths. they isolated from the rest of the world quickly.

What we do know is the virus spreads in close quarters, subways, nursing homes,meat processing plants etc
People who have lost family members know this is real.
 
DK, Covid-19 is real. Indeed, worldwide, the number of Covid-19 new cases is accelerating:

According to my reading of the graphs shown here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/:

From April 1 to May 15 (45 days), the average number of new cases per day increased from about 77,000 to about 89,000.

The increase per day for that 45 day period was about 265 cases per day.

From May 14 to June 6 (22 days), the average number of new cases increased from about 89000 to about 120,000.

The rate of increase for this subsequent 23 day period has been about 1345 per day. This is a substantial increase in the number of cases per day.

However:

Worldwide, the number of deaths since early April until the first week of May was dropping at the rate of about 80 per day. Since then the number of deaths per day has been essentially flat.

From about April 8 to May 9, the number of deaths attributed to Covid-19, dropped from about 6750 to about 4250: a drop of about 2500 deaths in a period of 31 days or a rate of about 80 per day.

From May 9 to June 6, the number of deaths attributed to Covid-19 has on average been about 4250 per day.

In the United States, the daily number of new cases was dropping, but now appears to have flattened while death from Covid-19 continues its downward trek. In the past two months, the number of deaths from Covid-19 has dropped from about 2000 per day to about 1000 per day.

See graphs for USA per the following link:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

From the above, it appears that the virus is becoming less virulent. I am told that this is normal and usual for viruses. The most virulent strains tend to die with their hosts while the less virulent forms are less noticed and therefore get spread around before they are eventually killed by their surviving hosts.

It is likely that what we call the common cold was at one time a terrible killer. Now it is a mere nuisance. The flu is dangerous but not nearly as dangerous as it was a 100 years ago.

It is now safer to contract Covid-19 than it was even a couple of months ago. You have a better chance to survive. But the virus is real and it remains a significant danger.

At the same time, there is little reason not to reopen the economy. The risk is not much different regardless whether we open or not. The problem was never barbers, hair stylists, restaurants and book stores in the first place. The major cause of the spread of the virus was mass transit within major cities and travel between major cities which never stopped since it was considered essential.

But the danger from the coronavirus was not a hoax.
 
Moving forward

But the danger from the coronavirus was not a hoax.
DK's re-post from facebook/twitter

Is a cornucopia of statements across months. admitting some truths (China), others mistakes in the journey. was this lockdown the right approach ? we just don't know. because it was the path chosen. with 20/20 hindsight a few years down the road we might know and learn what to do next time.
 
DK's re-post from facebook/twitter

Is a cornucopia of statements across months. admitting some truths (China), others mistakes in the journey. was this lockdown the right approach ? we just don't know. because it was the path chosen. with 20/20 hindsight a few years down the road we might know and learn what to do next time.

We can be assured that opinions on this will abound.
 
There is an article on the "Just the News" site entitled:

Doctors around world say COVID-19 may be losing its potency, becoming less deadly

By Daniel Payne:

https://justthenews.com/politics-po...say-covid-19-losing-its-potency-becoming-less

It generally conforms to what I have noted from the graphs on Worldometer. The article also summarizes the data in addition to quoting a number of physicians and scientists regarding their findings.

One thing I disliked about the article was the following paragraph which is often typical of journalists describing science. Specifically, it is the suggestion by the author of a decision by the virus to become less lethal so it could spread more easily:

Those conclusions were echoed by scientists in Spain this week, who proposed that COVID-19 may have adopted what the researchers call a "don't burn down the house" strategy, "reducing the severity of the infection and tissue damage without losing transmission capability." In effect, the disease could be opting to become less lethal so that it can spread more easily—a hallmark of evolutionary behavior, and also a boon for anyone who gets infected with the milder strain.

I think it is a hack journalistic understanding of evolutionary theory to say that the virus is opting for a particular outcome as if it has made a decision to be less lethal in order to spread more readily. Fortunately, the article references the scientific paper on which the statement is based which contains a more accurate description of the proposed phenomenon:

We propose that natural selection has favored a “Don’t burn down the house” strategy, in which free S1 protein may compete with viral particles for the ACE2 receptor, thus reducing the severity of the infection and tissue damage without losing transmission capability.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.03.129585v1

Suggesting that natural selection favors a particular outcome in a particular case is quite different than suggesting a strategy by the virus, itself.

Regardless of the bad explanation of the phenomenon in the article, I think the article is worth reading for the quotes. I believe the data supports the argument.
 
Bill Maher strikes again:

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I would hasten to mention that the New York Times statement that Maher quotes about "experts" warning about the coronavirus at a time when President Trump and Dr. Fauci were downplaying the threat was after the fact and unreliable. There was no substantial contemporaneous warnings by "experts" during that time period, and, indeed, Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx were among the first to publicly sound the warning. And Trump acted on their concern almost immediately. However, the main points of this Maher monologue are, in my opinion, valid.
 
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