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Brownsfan, name me a NFL player with underlying health conditions?
But I realize it's not something the league could actually do but all the players could on their own.

Think about it this way, if all our team got together next week by themselves, just the players and had a 2 week covid19 party .
We would have an advantage over other teams that didn't because they with be losing players hear and there.
Remember even the chubby linemen are in better physical condition than 95% of all us non athletes

I agree the league officials won't do it. Indeed, they will try to prevent it.

However, one reason they probably should allow it is that not all the people in football are players. There are coaches, trainers, office personnel, janitors etc. who are not physical specimens and who might conceivably have underlying conditions.

If the players got an early natural vaccination (getting sick and recovering), those other people associated with the game would tend to be better protected against exposure after the regular practices and games begin.
 
Bf that's exactly why I said what I did thanks.
It's self protection for those at risk with extremely low risk for the players.
After all, if the season goes off all the players will get it at some point.
 
Bf that's exactly why I said what I did thanks.
It's self protection for those at risk with extremely low risk for the players.
After all, if the season goes off all the players will get it at some point.

The NFL needs to be consulting with this guy:

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On April 22, the 7 day moving average for the USA was about 30,139 new cases and 2,174 deaths per day.

By May 22, the 7 day moving average dipped to 23,540 new cases and 1,190 deaths.

By yesterday, June 22, the 7 day moving average for new cases has jumped back up to 29,180 while the 7 day moving average for deaths have continued downward to 619.

Note: the number of deaths reported yesterday was 363, however, historically the smallest numbers of deaths reported are typically on Sundays and Mondays which apparently means that some deaths over the weekend are reported later in the week which mean that the rolling 7 day average is a better barometer of what is taking place.

Regardless, It doesn’t take a scientist to figure out that the ratio of death to new cases has dropped from .072 in April to .050 in May to .021 in June based on 7 day running averages.

This would appear to be a rather significant change. Something is happening. There are at least four reasons for the decline in the ratio:

1. More testing leading to additional asymptomatic cases being discovered.
2. The coronavirus becoming less virulent.
3. Better protection of vulnerable members of society, so fewer of those getting the disease and dying.
4. Better care of patients while in the hospital.

It seems reasonable to suppose that while No. 1 may have increased the number of total cases, it is unlikely to have caused a significant reduction in the number of deaths. No. 2 may have caused both an increase in the number of new cases and a reduction in the number of deaths. Nos. 3 and 4 may have contributed to the reduction in the number of deaths.

In the future, we may have a better understanding of how the above factors relate to the reduction of the ratio whether due to an increase in the number of reported cases or the reduction in deaths.
 
We mostly thought there were far more cases early on 3x 4x 5x etc. than the testing could find. with all the new cases from the opening up, I hope these young people don't pass it on to the old folks.

Something I didn't think of when writing my last post, but additional testing might help prevent young healthy people from spreading it to the old folks if young healthy people returning from a rally or protest have themselves tested before visiting grandma or grandpa in the nursing home.

Thus in this way increased testing might have an effect on the death rate.
 
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Something I didn't think of when writing my last post, but additional testing might help prevent young healthy people from spreading it to the old folks if young healthy people returning from a rally or protest have themselves tested before visiting grandma or grandpa in the nursing home.

Thus in this way increased testing might have an effect on the death rate.
Are there any nursing homes open to visitors ?
had thought they had been closed to visitors for months now.
 
Are there any nursing homes open to visitors ?
had thought they had been closed to visitors for months now.

It appears that it was a mistake to add the phase "in the nursing home." I guess I took too literal the governor's statement that Oklahoma was fully open as of June 1. Apparently nursing homes were not open on that date;

However, since June 15, in some localities, visitation on a phased basis has resumed, but the rules are pretty stringent. It is not likely that anyone in a nursing home will be infected from a visitor:

https://oklahoman.com/article/5664518/oklahoma-nursing-homes-can-begin-phased-reopening-monday

My bad.
 
Dr. Robert Redfield :CDC chief: Covid-19 infections could be 10 times higher than confirmed cases

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/25/cdc-coronavirus-infections-higher-than-confirmed-339963


So was this just a Trump/Biden moment ?

Up until this.... 4x 5x is what I've read for months. It's times like this that I really hate how this virus thing is a scoring drill. it is what it is. if he is serious we are @24 million cases so far. adding 300 - 500 thousand a day. wholly shit


 
Back to thread title,
If nfl players don't self herd vaccinate.
2020 nfl season canceled.
Book it.

I don't necessarily agree. I think that accurate daily testing could prevent any significant outbreak. There is always the chance that a player would bring it from home or where ever, but if the spreading is limited, it would pose no greater risk than other things that keep a player off the field.
 
Casper leapt up and bit me across the entire face, ripping much of my face to shreds,

I think the NFL hoped the warmer weather would slow the virus down. that looks wrong now. wtf their plan B is ??? I don't see it. they canceled the HOF game and the whole thing. showing lack of a plan B.

Looks like Clemson going herd
 
Mad, I have a question for you. Have you reversed your opinion on how we should react to the coronavirus and, to some extent, at least, now advocate a herd immunity strategy? It kind of seems that way with some of your recent comments and in particular this video of Clay Travis without comment.

What is the deal?
 
Strategy now

Have you reversed your opinion on how we should react to the coronavirus and, to some extent, at least, now advocate a herd immunity strategy?
I haven't changed on how we should have handled the virus from the start. now there is the blueprint with how Australia & New Zealand did it. locking down their states, stopping all air travel etc. they look like the smartest people on the planet.

The world-meters & https://www.covid19data.com.au/ have had different numbers for over a week now.

Our strategy now ?
do we have any ? other than herd.

At this point I have no grand ideas.. sadly. I did know we could only do the total lockdown for 6-8 weeks Once. that's passed. these governors will have to do what they need to do now. good luck to them

Here they say we are doing tests a day https://covidtracking.com/data/us-daily
looks like we added about 100,000 a day June to May.
 
At this point I have no grand ideas.. sadly. I did know we could only do the total lockdown for 6-8 weeks Once. that's passed. these governors will have to do what they need to do now. good luck to them

It wouldn't have worked. The scale is entirely different. There are things that one can do on a small scale that can’t be done on a large scale. There is a thing called inertia. It is harder to get a large ball rolling than a small ball and it is harder to get it stopped.

Plus, the relative traffic is entirely different. Trump actually shut down travel from China quite early, but it was way too late to stop the virus. Same with Europe. Almost half a million Americans were stranded in countries with travel restrictions that the state department had to get home. That much was hopeless. We weren't prepared. Everything from protective gear to ventilators were in short supply. The best we could do was shut down and flatten the curve to avoid overwhelming the medical system.

And, anyway, why are you singling out Australia and New Zealand as examples? There are dozens of relatively isolated countries with relatively small populations that have had only a passing problem with the coronavirus. Both Australia and New Zealand have had about 300 cases per million population. How many countries were similarly situated? Why not use Malaysia or Ivory Coast or Algeria or Greece as examples of how it should have been done in New York City?

I think you are asking for the impossible.

But I am still pretty damn mad at Trump. I think the worst mistake he ever made was failure to latch onto face coverings as justification for the reopening. It was his issue for the taking and he missed it by a mile. He could have emphasized social distancing and face covering as the way to reopen and got it done sooner. I think he will pay dearly for that mistake in the election (and so will we).

It is okay to discuss lessons learned. But first you have to learn them.

Here they say we are doing tests a day https://covidtracking.com/data/us-daily
looks like we added about 100,000 a day June to May.

If I had known about that page, I could have saved myself some trouble. Worldmeter doesn’t give the number of new tests daily but rather an accumulated total. So on my spreadsheet, I copied the accumulated total and wrote an equation to calculate the difference between each day and the day before. In looking at the totals, while similar, they are not the same and apparently Worldmeter has counted about a million more tests in the USA than Covidtracking and the daily totals can be considerably different too. For example, yesterday Worldmeter reported 645,524 test in the USA, Covidtracking reported 590,877.

I assume that "June to May" is a typo. I assume you meant March to (beginning of) May. Near the end of April, we were averaging over 200,000 tests per day and by the end of May we were hitting about 400,000 per day on average.
 
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May to June

I assume that "June to May" is a typo. I assume you meant March to (beginning of) May. Near the end of April, we were averaging over 200,000 tests per day and by the end of May we were hitting about 400,000 per day on average.
no it's a bit more than 100,000 more a day June to May" or May to June lol
roughly 350 to 450,000 without doing all the math
 
so in short

It wouldn't have worked. The scale is entirely different. There are things that one can do on a small scale that can’t be done on a large scale. There is a thing called inertia. It is harder to get a large ball rolling than a small ball and it is harder to get it stopped.

Plus, the relative traffic is entirely different. Trump actually shut down travel from China quite early, but it was way too late to stop the virus. Same with Europe. Almost half a million Americans were stranded in countries with travel restrictions that the state department had to get home. That much was hopeless. We weren't prepared. Everything from protective gear to ventilators were in short supply. The best we could do was shut down and flatten the curve to avoid overwhelming the medical system.



I think you are asking for the impossible.


It is okay to discuss lessons learned. But first you have to learn them.
It would take me hours to document all that we did wrong.(so in short) as we stopped travel it was just China. if we did it domestically and all foreign travel etc

Plus those half a million Americans were stranded... too bad for those elites.
we should have slowly had them return isolating them in hotels etc like Australia is still doing even interstate.

Sure we are 13 times the population but not impossible to follow their steps. we just 6 weeks late in doing much of anything save China.
 
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