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Never been a fan of institutions. no matter how thoughtful and good intentions from the start, over time mission statements get lost in the shuffle. highly intelligent founders are replaced overtime by nepotism. rarely are these offspring able match up to the IQ's of the originators. then lack of ability is replaced with corruption within at times. thus living off of past achievements at best.

All that to say how disappointing is the healthcare organisations WHO,CDC etc.
I have understanding of mistakes, not lying. as children we are told "whatever you say don't lie to me" something we didn't understand fully till we were lied to. I don't know about you but the older I get the more I can't stand being lied to. just want to bitch smack them. on the personal level none of this will help us/me dealing with the medical community in the future.
 
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Never been a fan of institutions. no matter how thoughtful and good intentions from the start, over time mission statements get lost in the shuffle. highly intelligent founders are replaced overtime by nepotism. rarely are these offspring able match up to the IQ's of the originators. then lack of ability is replaced with corruption within at times. thus living off of past achievements at best.
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Within a corporation, accountants--otherwise affectionately known as bean counters--usually take over for founders who create businesses of significant size. Perhaps not immediately, but certainly eventually. In many cases, this is even worse. Even if intentions are good, replacing a founder who knows the business in depth by an accountant who know only the numbers is unfortunate. The effect is the reduction of efficiency. For example, people in corporations headed by bean counters tend to spend more time in unproductive meetings and writing reports to management and less time in actual production. The founder didn't need reports because he already knew what was going on. But bean counters rely on reports for their decisions.

All that to say how disappointing is the healthcare organizations WHO,CDC etc.
I have understanding of mistakes, not lying. as children we are told "whatever you say don't lie to me" something we didn't understand fully till we were lied to. I don't know about you but the older I get the more I can't stand being lied to. just want to bitch smack them. on the personal level none of this will help us/me dealing with the medical community in the future.
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In a case like this, I tend to wonder where the truth lies. And, often, when there is a quick reversal, I tend to think the truth probably resides in the initial statement and not the walk back. I think the problem is that Ms. Kerkhove said that asymptomatic spread was "very rare."

I doubt that the evidence while strongly against asymptomatic spread is strong enough to support that characterization. It makes sense that asymptomatic spread of the virus would be less likely than symptomatic spread. Generally a person is asymptomatic for a reason: the virus has not multiplied to the point of causing symptoms.

My guess is that the data supports that supposition. However, the data is not conclusive enough to convince everybody and caution is the byword. If she had said that asymptomatic spread was less likely that symptomatic spread, the walk back would have been unnecessary.
 
Dr. Birx Says George Floyd Protests Have Resulted in the Destruction of 70 Covid-19 Testing Sites

https://news.yahoo.com/dr-birx-says-george-floyd-151449109.html

During the Monday call, a recording of which was obtained by the Daily Beast, Birx said governors should "scramble now to make sure there is testing available in urban areas."
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This will undoubtedly have a greater effect on the fight against Covid-19 than the open air mass protests themselves.

Also, apparently unrelated to the protests, several states have seen increases in hospitalizations recently. According to the article,

Data shows that Texas, California, Oregon, North and South Carolina, Mississippi, Utah, Arkansas, and Arizona have all seen sharp increases in coronavirus hospitalizations since Memorial Day weekend, as states have begun to open up following months of lockdowns.
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I might take issue with the "sharp" increase characterization. Some increases should be expected from the openings. In addition to the opening of local businesses, there will be an increase in movement of people generally. That hospitalizations might increase from 1,935 to 2,056 in Texas which represents about a 6% increase does not seem terribly significant to me. However, the article mentioned that Arizona reported a 49% increase from 833 on Memorial Day to 1243 two weeks later. That does seem significant. Also the problem in L A County, California, doesn't seem to be going away. Dr. Birx specifically mentioned four states as having active community spread of the virus:

"There is active community spread in California, North Carolina, Utah, and Arizona," Birx said on the call, adding that her team had seen evidence of community spread in "metro Hispanic neighborhoods."
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Coke

Brownsfan said:
Within a corporation, accountants--otherwise affectionately known as bean counters--usually take over for founders who create businesses of significant size. Perhaps not immediately, but certainly eventually. In many cases, this is even worse. Even if intentions are good, replacing a founder who knows the business in depth by an accountant who know only the numbers is unfortunate. The effect is the reduction of efficiency. For example, people in corporations headed by bean counters tend to spend more time in unproductive meetings and writing reports to management and less time in actual production. The founder didn't need reports because he already knew what was going on. But bean counters rely on reports for their decisions.
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What you are saying is so true. the next generation coming up with a new product that becomes profitable seems nearly impossible.

What I've always wanted to watch was the proposals/board meeting(s) at Coke. making the decision to quit making the #1 soft drink in the World. that/those presentation(s) must have been something to see. what a salesmen he/she was.
I switched to Dr Pepper and never went back lol
 
madmadworld said:
Cliff did you watch him in the 90s ?


It is very strange watching him without the crowd laughing.
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No, to be honest, I never have watched him much. And I don't subscribe to HBO and I doubt if I would watch him on a regular basis if I did. However, if I see a YouTube video that looks like it might be interesting, I watch it. I have found that I generally like his monologues better than his interactions with guests.

As for missing the crowd laughing, in the recent monologue I posted, I probably wouldn't have heard it over my own laughter.
 
madmadworld said:
What you are saying is so true. the next generation coming up with a new product that becomes profitable seems nearly impossible.

What I've always wanted to watch was the proposals/board meeting(s) at Coke. making the decision to quit making the #1 soft drink in the World. that/those presentation(s) must have been something to see. what a salesmen he/she was.
I switched to Dr Pepper and never went back lol
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I don't like Dr. Pepper. It tastes like the medicine my Mom made me take as a child. I hated it. It was called Dr. Caldwell's Syrup Pepsin, and it gave me the runs, as in run to the toilet. (I grew up on a farm and we didn't have inside plumbing until I was 13.)

I generally drink water now, but from time to time, I allow myself one of my wife's Coke Zeros.
 
Poor Baby

Brownsfan said:
I don't like Dr. Pepper. It tastes like the medicine my Mom made me take as a child. I hated it. It was called Dr. Caldwell's Syrup Pepsin, and it gave me the runs, as in run to the toilet. (I grew up on a farm and we didn't have inside plumbing until I was 13.)

I generally drink water now, but from time to time, I allow myself one of my wife's Coke Zeros.
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No wonder that stuff was a laxative !
now a collectible bottle. lol
https://oldmainartifacts.wordpress.com/2012/06/11/caldwells-syrup-pepsin-monticello-illinois/
 
Politically Incorrect

Brownsfan said:
No, to be honest, I never have watched him much. And I don't subscribe to HBO and I doubt if I would watch him on a regular basis if I did. However, if I see a YouTube video that looks like it might be interesting, I watch it. I have found that I generally like his monologues better than his interactions with guests.
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When he was on late nights on ABC it was my Fav TV show by far. VCR him every night
 
Trump tweets that he is honored to have the endorsement of George P. Bush and I wondered who George P. Bush might be. Turns out he is the son of Jeb Bush.

Here is the tweet by The Hill and a response by a first class wit:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ugh, there's more strains of George Bush than Hepatitis.</p>— GreyGardensShowedHowToLive (@FrasierBeast) <a href="https://twitter.com/FrasierBeast/status/1270489193114767360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Some random observations:

On June 11, 2020, the rolling 7 day average in Oklahoma went from double digits to triple digits. As recently as June 8, the number of new cases of Covid-19 in Oklahoma was 55, but only 4 days later, on June 12, it jumped to 222. Since then, the daily new cases have been 225, 158, 186, 228, 259 and yesterday, June 18, it jumped again to 450.

The number of deaths remained low. There were 2 deaths from Covid-19 recorded in Oklahoma yesterday. However, hospitalizations have been increasing, growing from 149 on Monday and Tuesday to 197 yesterday. Deaths are bound to follow.

To put things in perspective, Oklahoma had a population of about 4 million people. In relative terms, if 450 was to become the new normal for us, Oklahoma is suddenly more dangerous to live in than California which has about 4000 new cases per day.

Just looking at the numbers from a week ago, one could easily see why the Trump administration chose Oklahoma. Other states doing relatively well, such as Ohio and Georgia were running 2 to 3 times higher per capita for new cases, and even higher for deaths. But if the 450 new cases becomes the new normal for Oklahoma, our rate is now higher than either of those two states. Yesterday, Georgia had 882 new cases which is equivalent to about 330 in Oklahoma and Ohio had 708, equivalent to about 240 in Oklahoma.

President Trump, cancel your rally in Tulsa! We love you and we want you to come to Oklahoma. But please stay away until we can get this current surge under control!
 
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I would like to revisit the Dr. Marie Van Kerkhove statement to the effect that asymptomatic spread of the virus is very rare. It should be understood that this was specific to asymptomatic cases (people who have the disease, but do not show symptons).

It does not necessarily refer to people who are asymptomatic prior to becoming symptomatic although it was interpreted that way. Specifically, she said:

We have a number of reports from countries who are doing very detailed contact tracing – they are following asymptomatic cases, they are following contacts and they are not finding secondary transmission onward, it’s very rare. Much of that is not published in the literature.

We’re constantly looking at this data, and we’re trying to get more information from countries to truly answer this question. It still appears to be rare that an asymptomatic individual actually transmits onward.
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The data she was referring to was collected from contact tracing efforts. And clearly, she was speaking about asymptomatic cases, not pre-symptomatic cases. It seems to me that she can be forgiven misinterpretation of that distinction by others. But that is beside the question. The question is whether asymptomatic is equivalent to pre-symptomatic? It would seem reasonable to suspect that if asymptomatic transmission is rare, pre-symptomatic transmission might similarly be rare. For obvious reasons, asymptomatic cases are much easier to study than pre-symptomatic cases.

In the clarification she made the following points:

What we really want to be focused on is following the symptomatic cases. If we followed all of the symptomatic cases, because we know that this is a respiratory pathogen, it passes from an individual through infectious droplets. If we actually followed all of the symptomatic cases, isolated those cases, follow the context and quarantined those contexts, we would drastically reduce (virus spread).

We do know that some people who are asymptomatic or some people who don't have symptoms can transmit the virus on. What we need to better understand is how many people in the population don't have symptoms and, separately, how many of those individuals go on to transmit to others.

In that I used the phrase 'very rare,' and I think that's a misunderstanding to state that asymptomatic transmission globally is very rare. What I was referring to is a subset of studies.

Some modeling groups estimate about 40 percent of virus transmission may be due to asymptomatic people.
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So here is the deal. Data from contact tracing studies indicate that asymptomatic transmission of the disease is relatively rare. Presumably there is a correlation between asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic. However, modeling studies indicate that about 40% of virus transmission may be due to asymptomatic transmission.

I can’t speak for anyone else, but I tend to trust data collection a lot more than modeling and I see no reason to suspect that there should be a significant difference between transmission of the disease from the asymptomatic (people who never develop symptoms) and from the pre-symptomatic (people without symptoms but who later develop symptoms.)

I can understand caution from people charged with the health of people. But I think the original statement was valid. Perhaps she could have said, "Asymptomatic spread appears to be relatively rare based on contract tracing studies." If she has said that, perhaps she wouldn't have needed to make a clarifying statement in the interest of caution.
 
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Risk ? Reward ?

Brownsfan said:
President Trump, cancel your rally in Tulsa! We love you and we want you to come to Oklahoma. But please stay away until we can get this current surge under control!
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Risk/reward of holding this rally weights heavy on the Risky, low on Reward.
these attendees will be tracked more than any people ever......... my guess .......Grim Reaper stuff

Find outdoor venues. preferably open areas(non stadiums).
 
Dawg kennel said:
NFL should consider herd immunity, a covid19 party if you will.
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They can't do that. It is well and good if one had complete confidence that the natural vaccine of getting sick for a couple of weeks for healthy people would be the result of such a party, but what if someone died?

There are undoubtedly people in football with underlying conditions and the result could be death. I suppose it could be argued that if only the young and healthy people participated in the party and got herd immunity by going the natural vaccine route (getting sick and recovering), it would tend to protect those who might otherwise die from their underlying conditions.

As for who is dying and from what. Here is one person's opinion:

"They are like that one girlfriend you had that's just an idiot that believes every lie some guy tells her in a bar."

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Nfl

So far the NFL has no plan I've heard. at least one that was any chance of working. the only chance is a bubble.

With young men not having Sex within that bubble is just impractical. that is what the NBA has proposed. their players will sneak women in thru the sewer system or dropped in with drones lol

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Brownsfan, name me a NFL player with underlying health conditions?
But I realize it's not something the league could actually do but all the players could on their own.

Think about it this way, if all our team got together next week by themselves, just the players and had a 2 week covid19 party .
We would have an advantage over other teams that didn't because they with be losing players hear and there.
Remember even the chubby linemen are in better physical condition than 95% of all us non athletes
 
Ravens tight end Mark Andrews could emerge as a case study for at-risk players

Dawg kennel said:
Brownsfan, name me a NFL player with underlying health conditions?
But I realize it's not something the league could actually do but all the players could on their own.

Think about it this way, if all our team got together next week by themselves, just the players and had a 2 week covid19 party .
We would have an advantage over other teams that didn't because they with be losing players hear and there.
Remember even the chubby linemen are in better physical condition than 95% of all us non athletes
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https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports...0200617-siqcdkc2xbhndgeuaybuddaaga-story.html
 
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