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[jaydog]

Looks like the "Buzbee and the Golddiggers" crap is going to drag on for another year.

None of the 22 lawsuits against Deshaun Watson will go to trial during the 2022 NFL season

The bad news is that, barring one or more settlements, the 22 civil lawsuits pending against Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson will continue to linger throughout the 2022 calendar year.

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That's what shit bag lawyers do when they are about to lose. Stall. Stall as long as it takes and sweat out the other guy in hopes that he caves for a few bucks. Buzbee knows this is a weak ass lawsuit, but I bet he thinks Watson missed one season and is pretty sure he will not miss a second. Even if every last shoe wasn't truly assaulted.

Buzbee is counting on a settlement.

 

[Ragnar]

Buzbee knows BLM will never let justice to be served and is doing all he can to help the victims, simple as that.

 

[jaydog]

I think most all involved are black, right?

For that matter BLM could take the side of the black victims? That would seem to fit them better.

 

[Ragnar]

Did they take the side of the pregnant black female that George Floyd assaulted, or did he keep his sainthood?

Yeah....

 

[MinnyTesteverde]

It's not racist to believe he's athletic and that he can run anymore is it?

Yor vote Democrat so you believe anything said against a black is racist.

I was and remain great fans of Steve Mc Nair and Warren Moon.

Yards passing has absolutely NOTHING to do with a QB being a run-first QB.

People like you are not well.versed in life and rely.on what the media and announcers tell you to form what you think, are your own opinions.

What determines is a QB is a run first QB are the championship moments, those few and key plays where the QB and only the QB determines the fate of the entire team.

Montana to Clark? Watson would not have made that play, he would have taken off.

You assess a qb on the BIG PICTURE, not just the statistics that favor your agenda.

I never liked Mayfield from the time he was drafted as he too, is a run first QB. When he had those championship moments, he mostly failed. He failed because under extreme pressure....and THOSE ARE THE ONLY ANALYTOCS that matter, his mind was confused and he always fucked up.

Tarkenton was great at scrambling and he passed.for TONS of yards. But he was a run first QB. In championship moments, Tarkenton ALWAYS fucked up and let his team down. ALWAYS.

Now, you dickheads can throw your fucking temper tantrums, cry like pussies and call everyone racist who thinks Watson is a run first Qb, but heis 100%, absolutely a run first qb.

Any QB who boasts that he is a dual threat, IS INDEED a run first QB. Ben,Roger's, and others like them could run, but they never talked about it.

Why? Because they were pass first QBs, I never saw Ben make a great run and celebrate it. That's because he considered a scramble a failed execution.

If I made a statement that all.blacks are run first Qbs, then you pimpledicks would have a point.

If ANYONE is a racist it is the school coaches who see a fast black QB and teach them to be a run first player, instead of giving them classic training.

Watson has my full support and I hope he proves me wrong.

However, I firmly believe that in those championship moments, the things that make you 14-3 verses 11-6, the things that win championships and get you in the HOF, Watson's base instincts will confuse him over run or pass just long enough for him to either make the wrong decision or poorly execute the right one.

I believe guys like him become more prone to debilitating injuries with every day because as they slow, they become an easier target, and easier for defenses to contain.

I'll take a Kosar, Fouts, Marino, manning any fucking day of the week. Josh Allen.....pass first....just a great running threat.

We will see, but just don't be surprised once the Browns get into the pressure cooker.

 

[Kegeratorz]

vote Democrat so you believe anything said against a black is racist.

Political nonsense on a football forum? Please spare us the assholery.

 

[jaydog]

Did they take the side of the pregnant black female that George Floyd assaulted, or did he keep his sainthood?

Yeah....

Not an answer. BLM can choose either side.

 

[jaydog]

Yor vote Democrat so you believe anything said against a black is racist.

Not a Dem in the least. That's your assertion.

I was and remain great fans of Steve Mc Nair and Warren Moon.

Yards passing has absolutely NOTHING to do with a QB being a run-first QB.

People like you are not well.versed in life and rely.on what the media and announcers tell you to form what you think, are your own opinions.

I've been around the world and this country and have sipped women, booze and song from all over. You are dead ass wrong again my friend.

What determines is a QB is a run first QB are the championship moments, those few and key plays where the QB and only the QB determines the fate of the entire team.

Montana to Clark? Watson would not have made that play, he would have taken off.

There is no way to know for sure how Watson would have fared back in 1980 something, but ok.

You assess a qb on the BIG PICTURE, not just the statistics that favor your agenda.

I agree. A strong arm, ability to read a defense, pre snap and post snap are all part of the equation as well as if he makes his team mates better and wins.

I never liked Mayfield from the time he was drafted as he too, is a run first QB. When he had those championship moments, he mostly failed. He failed because under extreme pressure....and THOSE ARE THE ONLY ANALYTOCS that matter, his mind was confused and he always fucked up.

Tarkenton was great at scrambling and he passed.for TONS of yards. But he was a run first QB. In championship moments, Tarkenton ALWAYS fucked up and let his team down. ALWAYS.

Now, you dickheads can throw your fucking temper tantrums, cry like pussies and call everyone racist who thinks Watson is a run first Qb, but heis 100%, absolutely a run first qb.

You're the one (pussy) crying. QCT posted Watson's stats earlier and proved he is not a running QB.

Any QB who boasts that he is a dual threat, IS INDEED a run first QB. Ben,Roger's, and others like them could run, but they never talked about it.

Why? Because they were pass first QBs, I never saw Ben make a great run and celebrate it. That's because he considered a scramble a failed execution.

If I made a statement that all.blacks are run first Qbs, then you pimpledicks would have a point.

If ANYONE is a racist it is the school coaches who see a fast black QB and teach them to be a run first player, instead of giving them classic training.

Watson has my full support and I hope he proves me wrong.

However, I firmly believe that in those championship moments, the things that make you 14-3 verses 11-6, the things that win championships and get you in the HOF, Watson's base instincts will confuse him over run or pass just long enough for him to either make the wrong decision or poorly execute the right one.

I believe guys like him become more prone to debilitating injuries with every day because as they slow, they become an easier target, and easier for defenses to contain.

I'll take a Kosar, Fouts, Marino, manning any fucking day of the week. Josh Allen.....pass first....just a great running threat.

Hindsight is dead ass on. I agree!

We will see, but just don't be surprised once the Browns get into the pressure cooker.

I'm not going to be surprised if Watson comes up short or somehow is running more than ever. I don't see anything other than your assertions that point to Watson being confused. In fact there is a video in one of these strings showing Watson speaking to how he read a defense and how he knew he had two options on that play. The key was how a LB lined up pre snap and then how he shifted post snap giving him the green light to throw into a tight window for the TD pass. He did not run. He did not make a bad read. He read the D correctly pre snap and correctly post snap, made the correct decision and had the ability to deliver the ball to the right guy, on time.

My concern is how KS' new pass offense is going to attack with Watson at the helm. That's something nobody has seen yet.

 

[Masters]

Not an answer. BLM can choose either side.

Waste of your time Jay. We all know neither those who started using that saying, or the completely separate organization that appropriated that saying has anything to do with what has transpired with the Watson criminal complaint or the civil complaint.

Trying to even compare Floyd being used as a symbol/example of police brutality to a person of color and the Watson case says it all

 

[Ragnar]

Not an answer. BLM can choose either side.

It absolutely is an answer. They have made clear any black male criminal arrested for breaking the law in any capacity is grounds for widespread rioting, looting and burning of entire cities. There is zero doubt the prospect of that caused the grand jury to throw out crystal clear evidence of 22 sexual assaults and let Watson walk free.

 

[Kegeratorz]

Waste of your time Jay.

Agreed! Ignore option is awesome.

 

[Masters]

Is this Watson boasting about being dual threat? I think not.

Hayes: How is it possible, after so many black quarterbacks have had successful careers in both college football and the NFL, that we're still dealing with those black-quarterback stereotypes?

Watson: I have no idea, but it's there. People think, 'Oh, he's a black quarterback, he must be dual-threat.' People throw around that word all the time. It's lazy. The one thing I learned early on as a football player is people have their opinions, and I can't change them. But I can show them what they're missing.

People have assumed that I have to run the ball before I can throw it most all of my career, all the way back before high school. It's a stereotype put on me for a long time because I'm African-American and I'm a dual-threat quarterback. I don't know why that stereotype is still around. It's about talent and the ability to throw the ball, not the color of your skin or your ability to also be a dangerous runner.

Deshaun Watson Hates Dual-Threat QB Code Word, Wants to Be Face of CFB

Years ago, before he carried Clemson back to national prominence and became the face of college football, before the talk of being the No...

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So not only have some clearly never really watched Watson play, they have also never heard him talk either. If they did then they would know Watson doesn't talk about being a dual threat and doesn't want to be thought of that way. Why? Because it's not his game. He talks about it the same way Rodgers talks about it when asked. In that yeah I can take the free yards when it's there, but are always looking to make the play with their arm.

Seems Watson boasts about being dual threat the same way Allen does if you prefer a comparison to a QB who runs at a similar rate (and from watching him Allen sooner gives up the pass and runs under pressure than Watson)

Buffalo Bills quarterback Josh Allen visited ESPN’s “NFL Live” to talk about his development, head coach Sean McDermott, and lessons from Jim Kelly. After discussing his rookie season, host Wendi Nix asked Allen if he considers himself to be a dual-threat quarterback, his response:

I would think so. I think now, defenses have to respect that ability. If they don’t have an extra defender in the box, it is a possibility that I can take it down and run. But again, that’s not my first thought, I want to get the ball out to our playmakers and let them go make plays.

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[MinnyTesteverde]

You fucktards just love talking black black black black black, don't you?

Keep me out of your Gen X - Save the world, "are you sure you want to delete" bullshit conversations. My heroes as a kid, and still are were Jim Brown, Leroy Kelly, Bobby Mitchel, Ernie Shavers, Alice Ball, and George Robert Carruthers who actually visited my lab back in 2003.

This bullshit that the law is going soft on Watson because he is black is way fucked up. Two Grand Juries found the case against him to be dried shit. Watson is also not high profile enough that this shit would cause rioting. Some of the accusers are black for the love of God. The persecution against this man is despicable. There is no fucking evidence, and still he has to face civil suits and NFL suspension? Just because a bunch of gold digging cunts said the guy did something, his life is going to get fucked up?

This is sick. It is perverted, demented and twisted. Leave this man alone already.

As far as my accusing him of being a run-first QB, it has no fucking origin in him being black, or a stereo type. It is entirely based on wtching him play. I believe in the tightest of spots, he is confused as to run or pass, and he will make a poor decision both ways. I am concerned that he does use his speed to extend plays, and to run. He has a repaired knee, and you can cry all the fuck you want about modern medicine, but a repaired knee is NOT a new knee. For you and me? Sure, it is a new knee. But for a man facing the onslaught of the fastest, hardest hitting men in the world? It is NOT as good as his original He will be slower and less elusive.

My concerns are two fold and they are legitimate.

1) I believe he is a run-first QB
2) I think he is an injury mine waiting to explode.

I hope TF I am dead wrong on both accounts. That I believe these things does not make me racist, and it doesn't make me any less a Browns fan. That I want him to do well, and also make me eat my words is certainly eating of the pudding.

Stop with the racism accusations. Jesus Christ, don't you get enough of that bullshit in the news?

 

[MinnyTesteverde]

That's what shit bag lawyers do when they are about to lose. Stall. Stall as long as it takes and sweat out the other guy in hopes that he caves for a few bucks. Buzbee knows this is a weak ass lawsuit, but I bet he thinks Watson missed one season and is pretty sure he will not miss a second. Even if every last shoe wasn't truly assaulted.

Buzbee is counting on a settlement.If I was Buzbee, I would send them each a dozen roses and a dildo with a card that sayd, "go fuck yourself" Are the names of this cunts public? If so, I will send the dildoes.

 

[The_QCT]

You fucktards just love talking black black black black black, don't you?

Keep me out of your Gen X - Save the world, "are you sure you want to delete" bullshit conversations. My heroes as a kid, and still are were Jim Brown, Leroy Kelly, Bobby Mitchel, Ernie Shavers, Alice Ball, and George Robert Carruthers who actually visited my lab back in 2003.


1) I believe he is a run-first QB
2) I think he is an injury mine waiting to explode.

That facts say you're objectively wrong on #1. Hell, subjectively, anybody who can watch and analyze film says you're wrong.

He has had 2 ACL injuries since 2013. So I'm not sure if 2 injuries in 8+ years qualifies as an injury waiting to explode.

 

[BDU]

What determines is a QB is a run first QB are the championship moments, those few and key plays where the QB and only the QB determines the fate of the entire team.

Montana to Clark? Watson would not have made that play, he would have taken off.

The whole "Watson is a run-first QB if you change run-first to mean something other than run-first" is an interesting approach.

I'm the president of the United States. If by "president of the United States" we mean "Currently fucking my own hand while typing with precision thuds of my testicles against the keyboard." It isn't a euphemism when I say my typing skills are nuts.

The fact is, Watson is a pocket passer who has shown an elite-level aptitude for making the correct pre and post-snap reads, standing in the pocket and delivering. He is also very athletic and uses that to his advantage. He isn't perfect, and at times has bailed from a pocket when he didn't need to do so. But he just isn't a run-first quarterback. Despite being a top rushing quarterback, he is significantly more accomplished as a top passing quarterback.

Nor is he a run-first quarterback by your invented definition.

We've already extensively looked at Watson's success in crunch time. It's just outright wrong to say he isn't a clutch player who delivers in big moments. His passing numbers in those moments are off the charts, we saw him carry Clemson to an against-the-odds championship and he somehow made Houston a competitive team, leading the league in passing yards despite also leading the league in being sacked, hit and having a defence who makes every other quarterback look as elite as Watson is.

You've asked us not to just pick the stats which suit our agenda, but you're ignoring that stats that don't support yours because the guy doesn't really have a statistical flaw. He's just outright a damn good quarterback. What do you want us to do? Ignore completion percentage, high yardage, high touchdowns, low interceptions and high passer rating? Sure, take all that out, and he's not much of a quarterback at all.

 

[OconRecon]

Watson is elite. There truly is no debate.

BTW, it's kind of fun Albright was wrong twice on him. First, his arm was too weak. It used to be a hill he stood on, until Watson. Secondly, he missed on where Watson would go.

Of course, NONE of us thought Watson would choose rainy northeast Ohio.

 

[MinnyTesteverde]

I have no problem with you quoting stats that you believe support your case. I just don't want to hear the stupid fucking racism accusations.

If I was racist I wouldn't be standing up for the guy and calling these cunts gold diggers who are trying to ruin him. I think Watson is a top shelf human being and I don't believe the accusations against him. I want him to do well, and I hope he causes me to eat 1000 meals of crow with his success as a pocket passer. I am absolutely fine with being wrong about this run-first assessment of mine.

I will never understand why some people get so pissed off when someone doesn't have the same take they do. Look, if analytics and statistics were any better than making a football choice based on whether your cock is on the right or left side of your pants, then there would be no busts, no bad drafts or trades, everyone would make perfect choices because of analytics.

Sorry, but analytics and stats are for fools. Statistics are things that happened in the past. There is no guarantee in any scientific study that what happened in the past will happen in the future. There is no guarantee that a great combine performance will result in a great NFL player. There is no guarantee that the dumbest student won't become the wealthiest alumni.

I don't respect or revere the stats and analytics that you are putting forward. I don't even know why you would bother knowing that this shit means nothing to me. There are far too many variables with human performance that some Depo asshole can put it into a bottle.

From watching Watson, not watching numbers on a paper, from watching Watson, my assessment is that his "BRAIN" is a run first brain. I believe in those key moments, he will come unglued. Let's see what happens.

In the meantime, lighten up.

 

[The_QCT]

From watching Watson, not watching numbers on a paper, from watching Watson, my assessment is that his "BRAIN" is a run first brain. I believe in those key moments, he will come unglued. Let's see what happens.

Then you truly don't know what you're watching or how to analyze it. I watched from the sidelines for 3 years and you couldn't be more wrong. He always keeps his eyes downfield and looks to throw the ball before running. Again, not my opinion, that of those who coached and played with him...and from my literal watching him from the sidelines.

In all of the biggest, most pressure filled moments of Watson's career, he has never come unglued, but rather rose to the occasion.

 

[Ragnar]

Watson is elite. There truly is no debate.

BTW, it's kind of fun Albright was wrong twice on him. First, his arm was too weak. It used to be a hill he stood on, until Watson. Secondly, he missed on where Watson would go.

Of course, NONE of us thought Watson would choose rainy northeast Ohio.

Elite QB's don't go 4-12. No, there truly is no debate. The only thing he is elite at is sexually assaulting women. But you're the guy who was pimping DeShonne Kizer as elite and giving SaShit Clown A+ draft ratings while falling all over yourself to ride his nuts so no surprise you think DeRapist "4-12" WatShit is elite.