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The_QCT said:
Then you truly don't know what you're watching or how to analyze it. I watched from the sidelines for 3 years and you couldn't be more wrong. He always keeps his eyes downfield and looks to throw the ball before running. Again, not my opinion, that of those who coached and played with him...and from my literal watching him from the sidelines.

In all of the biggest, most pressure filled moments of Watson's career, he has never come unglued, but rather rose to the occasion.
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Can we stop arguing? I am willing to say that the odds are that I am full of shit and that we are in for a real treat. Understand bro, I want DeShaun to do well. In interviews I really like this kid. I am glad we moved on him and am impressed that we did. If he flops, I am nto going to come in here and say I told you so, but rather, "FUCK".

Let's not be like these whores hanging on the Watson bringing doom and gloom. Let's get back to football. My concerns about Watson don't make me a bad guy. I am a human being with an opinion just like everyone else. Let's see what happens.
 
Ragnar said:
Elite QB's don't go 4-12. No, there truly is no debate.
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Elite QB's can certainly go 4-12 when the organization is a clown show that fired the coach and traded off their best players.

But to your point, here are some elite QB's and their records:

Dan Marino - 6-10, 1988
Brett Favre - 4-12, 2005
Drew Brees - 7-9, 2012, 2014-2016
John Elway - 5-11, 1990
Eli Manning - 6-10, 2014
Peyton Manning - 3-13, 1998...6-10, 2001

If the organization is doing a bad job of hiring coaches and/or putting talent around any QB, things can get bad. Not even an elite QB can win on their own.
 
Good to elite teams do not go 4-12. Not QBs by themselves. By this logic the following QBs (to name a few) are not or were not elite as their teams had records as bad

Steve Young
Brett Favre
Peyton Manning
Joe Montana
Jim Kelly
Troy Aikman
 
OconRecon said:
Watson is elite. There truly is no debate.

BTW, it's kind of fun Albright was wrong twice on him. First, his arm was too weak. It used to be a hill he stood on, until Watson. Secondly, he missed on where Watson would go.

Of course, NONE of us thought Watson would choose rainy northeast Ohio.

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When he wins a SB... Then he may be considered elite... Until then.. Hes just another JAG slingin the rock.. Puhleeze.. They gave this fuck 230 mill guaranteed and he hasnt won a fucking sausage,,, Give it a rest till he does something of MERIT!... 2 pro bowls don't mean Diddly! I measure Elite by Superbowls... Not guest appearances...
 
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nickers said:
When he wins a SB... Then he may be considered elite... Until then.. Hes just another JAG slingin the rock.. Puhleeze.. They gave this fuck 230 mill guaranteed and he hasnt won a fucking sausage,,, Give it a rest till he does something of MERIT!... 2 pro bowls don't mean Diddly! I measure Elite by Superbowls... Not guest appearances...
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So you don't consider guys like Marino, Kelly, Rivers, and Moon to name a few as elite NFL QBs? And you consider Flacco, Dilfer, and Johnson as elite QBs?

In the context Ocon and others are using "elite" is about the ability to play the QB position.
 
Maybe throw in a third term.

Franchise. You can be a franchise qb and not be elite.

getting that championship is criteria for elite.
Regardless, the guy is a Browns player now. Let’s hope he can prove
His innocence for his sake and the sake of 22 women who no one wants to believe we’re abused.

Watson is tracking as a franchise qb right now.
 
hammertime said:
Maybe throw in a third term.

Franchise. You can be a franchise qb and not be elite.

getting that championship is criteria for elite.
Regardless, the guy is a Browns player now. Let’s hope he can prove
His innocence for his sake and the sake of 22 women who no one wants to believe we’re abused.

Watson is tracking as a franchise qb right now.
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Everyone's definition is different, which to me is fine. I struggle to put a championship as a requirement for elite at any football position, including QB. It's the ultimate team game, and championships are won based on the overall team. Marino and Kelly to me were about as elite as they come (in their eras of the game) at the QB position. Neither won SBs for various reasons outside of their play. Then you have Flacco, Dilfer, and Johnson who I would not call their QB play over their careers as elite at the position, but they got SB winner next to their names.
 
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Masters said:
Everyone's definition is different, which to me is fine. I struggle to put a championship as a requirement for elite at any football position, including QB. It's the ultimate team game, and championships are won based on the overall team. Marino and Kelly to me were about as elite as they come (in their eras of the game) at the QB position. Neither won SBs for various reasons outside of their play. Then you have Flacco, Dilfer, and Johnson who I would not call their QB play over their careers as elite at the position, but they got SB winner next to their names.
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RINGZ is an argument if laziness.
If the team you are on and you are good enough to not fuck it up, you can win a super bowl.

Given that another team beats Tom Brady somewhere.
 
hammertime said:
Maybe throw in a third term.

Franchise. You can be a franchise qb and not be elite.

getting that championship is criteria for elite.
Regardless, the guy is a Browns player now. Let’s hope he can prove
His innocence for his sake and the sake of 22 women who no one wants to believe we’re abused.

Watson is tracking as a franchise qb right now.
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I agree. I am behind him 100%. Again, I NEVER said getting him was a mistake, all I said was, I personally believe he is a run first QB and have concerns. Jesus, you would have thought I was a mass murderer.
 
MinnyTesteverde said:
I personally believe he is a run first QB and have concerns. Jesus, you would have thought I was a mass murderer.
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No one has replied to you like they thought you were a mass murderer. Only that your take/reasoning for calling him a run first QB is clearly based upon never watching Watson play or reading/listening to any interview with him, such as your take about him boasting about being dual threat as a reason you think that, even though he has never boasted of being a dual threat.
 
Rando evaluator, sure, but he has Watson as the top QB in the AFCN, and 6th in the NFL.
The Steelers QB situation is ranked 32nd. That's pleasant to read.

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Let's take a look at a couple more advanced stats from each QB's best years.

Lamar Jackson - 2019, MVP Season
Joe Burrow - 2021, Super Bowl berth season
Baker Mayfield - 2020
Deshaun Watson - 2020

On target % - respective year (career):
Lamar Jackson - 75.3% (69.4%)
Joe Burrow - 83.0% (76.9%)
Baker Mayfield - 79.1% (70%)
Deshaun Watson - 80.8% (76.3%)

Catchable throw % - respective year (career):
Lamar Jackson - 84.3% (77.7%)
Joe Burrow - 90.1% (83.9%)
Baker Mayfield - 83.7% (76.1%)
Deshaun Watson - 88.7% (80.1%)

Average Depth of Throw
Lamar Jackson - 8.3
Joe Burrow - 8.0
Baker Mayfield - 7.9
Deshaun Watson - 8.8
 
OconRecon said:
This has prob already been hit on in this thread, and although he didn’t play last season, he didn’t get passed …



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Most folks can't understand just how amazing that completion percentage while having an 8.9 YPA truly is. It's insanely good. Generational good.

MinnyTesteverde said:
I don't know that this means anything, but okay. Can he take the Browns to a championship? That is not something that statistics can predict.
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Nobody truly knows if any QB can take any team to a Championship. Hell, after 1 year with Mahommes, people thought he would take KC to the championship every year. The reality is it's hard to get to a championship. Really, really hard and no QB can do it by themselves. It takes a team effort from the front office down #44 on the roster. An elite QB certainly increases the odds by a lot...a ton.

What we do know is this - Watson has set nfl records; won a passing yards title; established a record of coming from behind in the 4th quarter; won 2 divison titles in 4 years and went to 3 pro bowls. This is the best QB the Browns have had in some time and arguably the most talented QB the Browns have ever had. Watson has elevated the play of every offense he has ever been on...so there is plenty of reason to be hopeful that he will take Cleveland to our first championship.
 
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