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Kirksey raving about Garrett. Mentioned having guys like Shelton and Garrett up front help him out a great deal, which led to some Garrett questions. Talked about Garrett being a hard worker who comes in every day and is always looking to improve on something.

Kirksey also expressed that he wants to remain with the Cleveland Browns beyond this season, but said he didn't currently feel comfortable talking about where negotiations are at - which typically translates to the negotiations currently being at a "We're willing to pay if you prove it again this year" stage.
 
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Kirksey raving about Garrett. Mentioned having guys like Shelton and Garrett up front help him out a great deal, which led to some Garrett questions. Talked about Garrett being a hard worker who comes in every day and is always looking to improve on something.

Kirksey also expressed that he wants to remain with the Cleveland Browns beyond this season, but said he didn't currently feel comfortable talking about where negotiations are at - which typically translates to the negotiations currently being at a "We're willing to pay if you prove it again this year" stage.
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Paying when they prove it hasn't exactly been the M O from this team in recent memory. Ward proved it and proved it again in Denver. Pryor was doing a good job of proving it. Just a couple examples. Bet I could name a few more........What has Brock proved and look how much we're paying him. Kinda ironic......
 
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Paying when they prove it hasn't exactly been the M O from this team in recent memory. Ward proved it and proved it again in Denver. Pryor was doing a good job if proving it. Just a couple examples. Bet I could name a few more........What has Brock proved and look how much we're paying him. Kinda ironic......
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T.J Ward left two years before this staff got to Cleveland. Irrelevant.

Pryor didn't want to be here. From all reports, the Browns offered Pryor a very lucrative multi-year contract but he wanted an outrageous sum of money. According to reports, he wanted somewhere in the vicinity of $13/$14M per year. About the same as Dez Bryant, and would have made him about the #6 highest paid receiver in the league.

Comparatively, contracts negotiated at the same time include Kenny Britt, Alshon Jeffery and Pierre Garcon, who are all being paid between $9.5 and $8.5M per year. The highest paid receiver in free agency was Desean Jackson, who is only getting paid $11M per year. Desean is a 3x Pro-Bowler with 8,800 career yards and is now on a team where his skills perfectly fit with their quarterback - so, in spite of his legitimately proven record, they overpaid a little to get him there.

Of course, Kenny Britt was our signing. He costs $5M per year less than what Pryor wanted and he was equally as productive in 2016.

Pryor opted for a 1 year, $6M deal that the Browns matched but, according to Pryor's camp, the Browns didn't answer the phone when they called to confirm. Personally, I don't believe that for a second. If he wanted to be in Cleveland, he would be. He left because Kirk Cousins threw for a shitload of yards last year and both his receivers left in free agency - Pryor wants a piece of that pie so he can hopefully force the big ass contract he wants - Ironically, it probably won't happen in Washington. They can't afford that while also locking down their free agents, particularly Kirk Cousins (Probably off to San Fran, though).

Pryor isn't a great example, in my opinion. He's certainly talented, but it takes more than one year to earn a contract like the one he was seeking. If we're going to hand out that kind of money for a receiver, I'd rather wait until 2018 and start leaking that we'll pay Nuk Hopkins very well to leave Houston.

As for Brock - We're not paying that for him, we're paying that for the 2nd round selection that Houston gave us to take him. It isn't like we signed him to that contract. That's fine by us - Kessler, Hogan and Kizer don't cost dick all anyway so our QB position, in spite of the contract Brock carries, is still less than most teams pay for the position.

As far as the Browns M.O - We just paid huge money to lock down Bitonio and Collins while also awarding three huge FA contracts.

Important to remember, though, our true resigning period doesn't start until 2019, when our drafted players come off contract.
 
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T.J Ward left two years before this staff got to Cleveland. Irrelevant.

Pryor didn't want to be here. From all reports, the Browns offered Pryor a very lucrative multi-year contract but he wanted an outrageous sum of money. According to reports, he wanted somewhere in the vicinity of $13/$14M per year. About the same as Dez Bryant, and would have made him about the #6 highest paid receiver in the league.

Comparatively, contracts negotiated at the same time include Kenny Britt, Alshon Jeffery and Pierre Garcon, who are all being paid between $9.5 and $8.5M per year. The highest paid receiver in free agency was Desean Jackson, who is only getting paid $11M per year. Desean is a 3x Pro-Bowler with 8,800 career yards and is now on a team where his skills perfectly fit with their quarterback - so, in spite of his legitimately proven record, they overpaid a little to get him there.

Of course, Kenny Britt was our signing. He costs $5M per year less than what Pryor wanted and he was equally as productive in 2016.

Pryor opted for a 1 year, $6M deal that the Browns matched but, according to Pryor's camp, the Browns didn't answer the phone when they called to confirm. Personally, I don't believe that for a second. If he wanted to be in Cleveland, he would be. He left because Kirk Cousins threw for a shitload of yards last year and both his receivers left in free agency - Pryor wants a piece of that pie so he can hopefully force the big ass contract he wants - Ironically, it probably won't happen in Washington. They can't afford that while also locking down their free agents, particularly Kirk Cousins (Probably off to San Fran, though).

Pryor isn't a great example, in my opinion. He's certainly talented, but it takes more than one year to earn a contract like the one he was seeking. If we're going to hand out that kind of money for a receiver, I'd rather wait until 2018 and start leaking that we'll pay Nuk Hopkins very well to leave Houston.

As for Brock - We're not paying that for him, we're paying that for the 2nd round selection that Houston gave us to take him. It isn't like we signed him to that contract. That's fine by us - Kessler, Hogan and Kizer don't cost dick all anyway so our QB position, in spite of the contract Brock carries, is still less than most teams pay for the position.

As far as the Browns M.O - We just paid huge money to lock down Bitonio and Collins while also awarding three huge FA contracts.

Important to remember, though, our true resigning period doesn't start until 2019, when our drafted players come off contract.
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I believe the part about the Browns not picking up the phone. The main reason is that I think Pryor really wanted to stay in Cleveland. Otherwise, why did he continue to negotiate with the Browns after he should have been talking to other teams? Why did he wait so long before giving up on the Browns giving him the contract he wanted? Hell, the Browns had already signed Britt and Pryor was still talking to the Browns.

But I agree that one productive season is not generally considered enough to command the big bucks that Pryor wanted. Faced with that reality, I can understand why he opted for a one year prove it contract in order to go after the big bucks next year. I can also see why he would get nervous when he had a contract in hand with Washington that he could lose if he waited too long for an answer from the Browns.

I also agree that he is probably better off in Washington with Cousins and their depleted receiver corps with that one year prove it contract. The really interesting thing is that he probably won't be in Washington longer than a year regardless, and, supposing we decide to go after him after his year in Washington, we could probably have him. I think we will find out this year that we are going to need someone like him--either him or someone like him.
 
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I believe the part about the Browns not picking up the phone. The main reason is that I think Pryor really wanted to stay in Cleveland. Otherwise, why did he continue to negotiate with the Browns after he should have been talking to other teams? Why did he wait so long before giving up on the Browns giving him the contract he wanted? Hell, the Browns had already signed Britt and Pryor was still talking to the Browns.

But I agree that one productive season is not generally considered enough to command the big bucks that Pryor wanted. Faced with that reality, I can understand why he opted for a one year prove it contract in order to go after the big bucks next year. I can also see why he would get nervous when he had a contract in hand with Washington that he could lose if he waited too long for an answer from the Browns.

I also agree that he is probably better off in Washington with Cousins and their depleted receiver corps with that one year prove it contract. The really interesting thing is that he probably won't be in Washington longer than a year regardless, and, supposing we decide to go after him after his year in Washington, we could probably have him. I think we will find out this year that we are going to need someone like him--either him or someone like him.
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I think he continued to try and negotiate because he was hoping the Browns would cave and give him what he wanted.

Browns apparently offered him $8.5M per season over four years, with a very large sum guaranteed. Four years, $34M was very fair and competitive - more than Britt and even with Michael Crabtree. How was this met? With reports that apparently three teams had offered him multiyear contracts worth $10M per season and one being worth $11M per season. I call bullshit. There is absolutely no way he got offered a 4 year, $44M contract and turned that down, and the $40M contracts, to instead get Washington and Cleveland to fight over who would give him one year, $6M.

The same source said that he turned down 4 years, $44M just because he wanted to remain in Cleveland. That when Washington presented him with their contract, he gave the Browns a chance to match but said the Browns declined to either match or beat it.

It wasn't until afterwards that the phone story came out.

Despite the Browns signing [Kenny] Britt, they still wanted to retain Pryor but could not hold out forever. Cleveland gave Pryor’s reps a final deadline of 3 PM ET on the second day of free agency — and if Cleveland didn’t respond to a potential request by 4 PM that same day, it meant they were no longer interested.

Pryor, not satisfied with the market, decided he wanted a one-year “prove it” deal. His reps called the Browns around 2 PM, but the lines were busy. Unable to reach anyone, they left a voicemail a half hour later, stating Pryor would take the one-year deal. They waited...and waited...and waited. As 4 PM came closer, they knew Washington’s offer might not be on the table much longer. 4 PM came, and Pryor had to take Washington’s deal.

Here is the kicker: a few minutes later, Pryor saw the Browns’ number calling in. It was too awkward to answer, as he’d just reached a deal (although not yet public) with Washington. Hours later, he listened to the voicemail: it was Chris Cooper, the team's director of football administration, calling to apologize for the delay — they were busy welcoming some of their Day 1 signings to the organization while still on the phones with many other player reps. They didn’t realize Pryor’s team had called them until after 4 PM, when they said, ‘Welcome back to Cleveland.’
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I just cannot believe that. That for a period of two hours, when the Browns instructed they were anticipating a call, the entire organization was completely unreachable. Because we were "welcoming" our three signings and were still on the phone to other player reps? There was nobody in the organization who could be reached. I don't even want to think about how many phones, landline and mobile, that an NFL team has to ensure they are always reachable.

The Browns have 32 members in the front office. 16 members in management. 5 members of administration. 4 members in media relations. And probably 60 other people listed on their website that I didn't bother counting. And 23 coaches. All just so happened to either be on the phone or not looking at their phone or otherwise not available for something as incredibly important as a player agent accepting a contract.

On top of that, nobody got fired. Sashi got a contract agreed upon, and nobody picked up the phone, yet everyone kept their jobs? Nah. That's an instant firing. That's not spilling some coffee, or accidently pissing on the seat. That's not even shitting in an office pot plant in full view of the team owner. That's costing the team a very good player because someone didn't pick up the phone to acknowledge an accepted contract, and everyone kept their job?

- end rant. TL;DR - That story seems unrealistic to me.

I think he just left. He wanted the big money, nobody offered the big money, so when it came down to one-year deals he took the offer of the team whom he thinks give him the best chance of high level production that will aid him in getting his big contract next year.

So my mentality is still the same - Fuck Pryor.

I agree we'll find out if we need someone like him. If Britt doesn't live up to expectations, and Coleman doesn't take a leap, we'll be looking for a legitimate #1 in either free agency or the draft. I'm a big fan of the WR position, I think it is more important that it will ever get credit for, so that's a big question hanging over the organization.
 
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I believe the part about the Browns not picking up the phone.
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There's this really cool new invention called voicemail. And texting. And instant messenger. And e-mail. If Pryor really wanted to stay and the line was busy, there's more than one way to ask "Sashi, Can you match or exceed this offer?"
 
Since this thread is about Myles, here's something different: a post about Myles....

 
I believe there is zero credibility to the notion of any NFL team taking a proactive position in negotiating that includes NOT communicating (i.e., not returning repeated calls). Its just bad business whether in NFL personnel circles or whatever you and I do for a living. I would argue its a hyper no-no in a business community as small as the NFL. You simply do not want to burn bridges with agents/players as it serves very little purpose strategically. Quite the contrary, it can be highly negative.

I don't even fault Pryor based on my read of things here.

The Browns, along with the rest of the NFL, did not see Pryor's breakout year as worthy of an elite contract. Pryor, apparently, believes he is (or will be shortly) one of the better receivers in football. After determining no team held that same conviction, he decided to bet on himself via another, 1 year "prove it" deal. When reviewing the optimal places for him to be successful next year; he selected Washington. Its a logical conclusion even if it doesn't prove to be correct. Its a gamble either way for Pryor.

We've moved on and I don't have any concerns as to how Sashi and Co handled it.
 
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I think he continued to try and negotiate because he was hoping the Browns would cave and give him what he wanted.

Browns apparently offered him $8.5M per season over four years, with a very large sum guaranteed. Four years, $34M was very fair and competitive - more than Britt and even with Michael Crabtree. How was this met? With reports that apparently three teams had offered him multiyear contracts worth $10M per season and one being worth $11M per season. I call bullshit. There is absolutely no way he got offered a 4 year, $44M contract and turned that down, and the $40M contracts, to instead get Washington and Cleveland to fight over who would give him one year, $6M.

The same source said that he turned down 4 years, $44M just because he wanted to remain in Cleveland. That when Washington presented him with their contract, he gave the Browns a chance to match but said the Browns declined to either match or beat it.

It wasn't until afterwards that the phone story came out.
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I don't know if any of that is legit or not. Maybe some of it is. But I am convinced that there is a lot of speculation told for the truth out there. All I know for sure is that he ain't here. And that he was still negotiating with the Browns when--if he was aching to leave--he should have been talking with other teams instead indicates to me that that he wanted to stay in Cleveland. And I think we are going to miss him.
 
Or his agent Drew Rosenhaus simply fucked up trying to get the Browns to tag him. Regardless the Browns correctly determined his value at the time.
 
When is this kid not "nicked"?

At some point the human body becomes too big, too muscular, for its own good. You can't maintain that size, and continue to maintain that speed, or explosion, etc without expecting something to fail.


Expect a lot of nicks.
 
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This just in Myles "I'm soft as a marshmallow" Garrett sits out practice until next week with an undisclosed injury. Hue jackson says "he'll be alright. Same for the brittle Corey Coleman.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000810990/article/myles-garrett-sits-out-practice-with-undisclosed-injury
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These guys may be soft right now but I think Williams may be able to chisel the D guys. Coleman on the other hand? Strikes me as a career injury prone dud who won't realize the potential that some here believe he will reach
 
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This just in Myles "I'm soft as a marshmallow" Garrett sits out practice until next week with an undisclosed injury. Hue jackson says "he'll be alright. Same for the brittle Corey Coleman.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000810990/article/myles-garrett-sits-out-practice-with-undisclosed-injury
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Welcome to an NFL OTA.

Sore foot? Sit out. Sleep funny last night and your neck feels weird? Sit out. A touch of the Hershey squirts? Good lord, you're IR'd for OTA.

If you're looking to build a case against someone being injury prone or soft as a marshmallow, OTA and training camp is the perfect time. They'll sit players out as a precaution for shit they wouldn't even report to the trainer during the regular season.

No team, across the entire league, is going to risk one of their players getting Howard Wilson'd. Especially in OTAs.

Bring on the Garrett haters, they're going to love this offseason.
 
Don't hate anybody. Just think when a DE is rated above a franchise QB prospect and is already being called "generational", he is clearly beyond all reason overrated.

Hope he proves to be the best D player in this draft. Hope he proves to be "generational". Hope he carries this team on his shoulders. Then you all can say you were right, and I will happily agree.
 
TheBestPlayersPlay said:
When is this kid not "nicked"?

At some point the human body becomes too big, too muscular, for its own good. You can't maintain that size, and continue to maintain that speed, or explosion, etc without expecting something to fail.


Expect a lot of nicks.
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Sounds like you're describing Tony Mandrich or that highly touted linebacker Seattle drafted back in the '90's
 
TheBestPlayersPlay said:
Don't hate anybody. Just think when a DE is rated above a franchise QB prospect and is already being called "generational", he is clearly beyond all reason overrated.
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Ah, so a "Franchise QB" influenced your comments about Garrett. Interesting.

Just for the record, I never accused anyone of having an ulterior motive that odd. I was just referring to BF56 and the opposite of the "sunshine pumpers." Thinking of calling them the "Darkness drillers."

Which is the second most awesome name for a BH subgroup. Does anyone remember the name of the "Bully club" that AO talked about? It was something brilliant. Mega awesome super bully club, or something. He even gave us official titles, proper nomenclature in a hierarchy and errythang.

I agree that Garrett is overrated. He's not done shit yet. But the first overall pick, and first round picks in general, are supposed to get people excited about the potential for impact. You overrate them, and anoint them, when you want your team to be good.

Fight the good fight and bring him down a notch, I support you in spite of being on the opposite side. I'll keep predicting a 1,000 yard season for Njoku and ROTY honours for Garrett.

FWIW - I don't think any of us give a shit about saying we were right, nor have interesting in saying we were if we are. We just want the Browns to be good and have good players.
 
Well said BDU! If Njoku has a 1000 yard season, Kessler is going to the probowl and the Browns are going to the playoffs ;)
 
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