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Browns The 2025 hunt for a QB

Martin Eden said:
I remember all the Trubisky love from this forum.
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He definitely had talent and potential, but he needed more time in college. He only had 13 starts and wasn't ready for the NFL. He was thrown into the fire on a bad Chicago team which seemed to destroy his confidence pretty quickly.

We'll never know - but I do think if he had more seasoning in college and went to a better, more stable team, things might have been different. But again...we'll never know.
 
The_QCT said:
KC took the swing and won big. They didn't draft a non-generational DL or WR and play the bargain QB game.

BTW: Let's look at some QB rankings from the "experts" in that 2017 NFL Draft:

Brucky Brooks (NFL.Com)
1) DeShone Kizer
2) Mitch Trubisky
3) Deshaun Watson
4) Davis Webb
5 Patrick Mahomes

Lance Zierlein (NFL.Com)
1) Mitch Trubisky
2) Deshaun Watson
3) Patrick Mahomes
4) Nathan Peterman
5) DeShone Kizer

Walter Football
1) Mitch Trubisky
2) Deshaun Watson
3) Patrick Mahomes
4) DeShone Kizer
5) Davis Webb

Mel Kiper (ESPN)
1) Mitch Trubisky
2) Patrick Mahomes
3) Deshaun Watson
4) Nathan Peterman
5) DeShone Kizer

Todd McShay (ESPN)
1) Mitch Trubisky
2) Deshaun Watson
3) DeShone Kizer
4) Patrick Mahomes
5) Davis Webb

Joel Klatt (Fox Sports)
1)DeShone Kizer
2)Deshaun Watson
3) Mitch Trubisky
4) Brad Kaaya
5) Chad Kelly

Tom Fornelli (CBS Sports)
1) Mitchel Trubisky
2) Patrick Mahomes
3) Cooper Rush
4) Nathan Peterman
5) Chad Kelly

Sports Illustrated
1) Deshaun Watson
2) Patrick Mahomes
3) DeShone Kizer
4) Mitchell Trubisky
5) Brad Kaaya

Daniel Jeremiah (NFL.com)
1) DeShone Kizer
2) Mitchel Trubisky
3) Deshaun Watson
4) DeShone Kizer
- Only Ranked 50 prospects. Mahomes not in top 50.

Common Themes:
- Mahommes not considered Top QB.
- Mahomes Top 2 in 3 of 9 experts rankings
- Mahomes Top 3 in 4 of 9 experts rankings


Interesting evaluations of Mahomes.

Weaknesses:
Can be inconsistent in his approach. Needs to play inside the offense and show more discipline. Too eager to go big game hunting. Ravenous appetite for the explosive play can also bring unwanted trouble. Willingness to default to playground style appears to limit his ability to get into a consistent rhythm. Needs to improve anticipatory reads and learn to take what the defense gives him. Decision making can go from good to bad in a moment's notice. Operates from a narrow base and allows his upper body and arm to race ahead of his feet. Has a dip and wind-up in his standard release. Explosive delivery and follow-through causes some throws to sail. Needs better touch on intermediate and deep balls. Carries ball a little low in the pocket. Impatient. Will leave pocket prematurely rather than standing in and winning in rhythm. Better as a scrambler than pure runner. Looked a little less mobile in the open field this season.

Throwning velocity (for later):

- Josh Allen - 62 mph
- Kirk Cousins - 59 mph
- Baker Mayfield - 59 mph
- Jared Goff - 58 mph
- Patrick Mahomes: 55 mph
- CJ Stround: 54 mph
- Lamar Jackson: 49 mph
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That Mahomes critique sounds very similar to the critiques you hear about Ward.
 
TheBestPlayersPlay said:
That Mahomes critique sounds very similar to the critiques you hear about Ward.
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Weaknesses​

  • Too willing to work out of structure and play hero ball.
  • Struggled with Georgia Tech’s disguised coverages.
  • Needs eye discipline to prevent coverage overlaps against zone.
  • Inconsistent tying his feet with his eyes when scanning.
  • Gets excited and cuts it loose before the route develops.
  • Drop-down, sidearm release creates erratic placement.
  • Seam throws become a security blanket when he’s uncomfortable.
  • Unjustifiable interceptions from reckless cross-field throws.
  • NFL QB-hunters will make him pay for reckless backward scrambles.
  • Rears back and rips throws when touch and finesse is needed.
  • Completed just 39% of his passes inside the red zone in 2024, per Pro Football Focus.
 
NFL Combine profile ratings:

Trevor Lawrence: 7.40 - Perennial All-Pro

Baker Mayfield: 6.70 - Year 1 starter

Justin Herbert: 6.45 - Will become good starter within two years

Matt Corral: 6.40: Will become good starter within two years

Josh Allen: 6.40 - Will become good starter within two years

Cam Ward: 6.39 - Will eventually be plus starter

Shedeur Sanders: 6.30 - Will eventually be plus starter

Patrick Mahomes: 6.30 - Will eventually be plus starter

Jaxson Dart: 6.19 - Good backup with the potential to develop into starter

Tyler Shough - no profile b/c he won't make it
 
The_QCT said:
NFL Combine profile ratings:

Trevor Lawrence: 7.40 - Perennial All-Pro

Baker Mayfield: 6.70 - Year 1 starter

Justin Herbert: 6.45 - Will become good starter within two years

Matt Corral: 6.40: Will become good starter within two years

Josh Allen: 6.40 - Will become good starter within two years

Cam Ward: 6.39 - Will eventually be plus starter

Shedeur Sanders: 6.30 - Will eventually be plus starter

Patrick Mahomes: 6.30 - Will eventually be plus starter

Jaxson Dart: 6.19 - Good backup with the potential to develop into starter

Tyler Shough - no profile b/c he won't make it
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All the off-season, pre-draft ratings are media click bait. All that matters is how the teams rate them. I saw Mahomes live twice in college, both against the Horns. He played well, but watching him throw before the games was a revelation. I've never seen anyone throw like that and probably will never again see a QB with an arm like Mahomes. It was clear to me he was going to be a great NFL QB. I wish I could have seen both Sanders and Ward live. I was shocked that more people weren't as hyped about Mahomes as I was.

Right now, I'd say Sanders is the better fit because we need a day 1 starter. But I do think Ward has an incredible ceiling. I'm fine with either, but if we draft Ward, we probably need a bridge QB.

I have seen that kid from Clemson (Klubnik) live twice, once in High School and against the Horns in the playoffs this year. He is going to be the next great NFL QB -- mark my words. If he had come out this year, he'd be my top pick. He can sling it and is a tough little son-of-a-bitch. A true gamer with a shitload of talent and a great arm. Trade down, trade Garrett, Krash for Klubnik wouldn't make me mad. I know it would take longer to get back to relevance, but we have to pay the price for the Watson fiasco.
 
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