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The " Book It " thread!

Neither do I

Brownsfan said:
Do you see a downward trend? Neither do I.
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Happy to see we agree. happy isn't the right word but you get it.

This was the One chance to crush this virus. we just can't afford much more, let alone again. God only Knows All of what happened (or happening) in Wuhan. but it looked Brutal from what pictures & reports that came out. but it did seem to work. it's what convinced me that only Martial law was the best chance to get this over quick. surely this will be deemed a failure. never to be tried again. but then again if we got out with 40-50,000 deaths, the lib's writing history would write Trump failed. after all Trump made the virus, his creation in the basement lab in Trump Towers.
 
Testing was stopped in my area for lack of testing
materials, to be fair I haven’t felt the need for
testing but for accountability I would get tested
if I could.
I also happened to notice in several articles that
what happened in the Smithfield plant isn’t an
isolated incident but is becoming widespread.

We haven’t even seen the top of the curve yet
nor are we in a position to reopen any state
until we really can get a better handle on how
testing and true accountability can be ascertained.

I’m not laying blame on anyone because this is new
territory for all of us,I’d just really like to see all
citizens takes this as serious as it has become, this
isn’t a hoax or attacking old people this is killing
all ages and doesn’t discriminate.
We are all equally vulnerable.
 
madmadworld said:
Happy to see we agree. happy isn't the right word but you get it.

This was the One chance to crush this virus. we just can't afford much more, let alone again. God only Knows All of what happened (or happening) in Wuhan. but it looked Brutal from what pictures & reports that came out. but it did seem to work. it's what convinced me that only Martial law was the best chance to get this over quick. surely this will be deemed a failure. never to be tried again. but then again if we got out with 40-50,000 deaths, the lib's writing history would write Trump failed. after all Trump made the virus, his creation in the basement lab in Trump Towers.
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Well, it appears we still disagree. Looking back, I see no realistic chance of crushing the virus when we have so many "essential workers."

On March 20, 2020, Governor Cuomo ordered a shutdown of the state of New York except for essential workers. This was at a time when there was 8,500 cases and the death total had reached 44.

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronav...0200320-hiya77j3w5brjbt7lbkrvcmeve-story.html

The so called "shutdown" mandated that all non-essential businesses cease operations and all non-essential personnel remains at home besides grocery runs, emergencies and some light exercise. Nonessential business includes restaurants, bars, cinemas, venues, theaters, schools, barber shops, beauty parlors, nail salons and tattoo studios.

But what about essential workers? Essential workers are workers who work for essential business such as grocery and liquor stores, banks, pharmacies, public transportation and public safety agencies, news organizations, gas stations and laundromats.

All of these essential people are still moving around, riding the subway. With orders for people to stay inside, the streets are empty, but underneath the city, there must be a hive of activity at the end of the day, when all the essential people go home from work--fertile ground for the spread of the virus.

Closing restaurants, bars, cinemas, venues, theaters, schools, barber shops, beauty parlors, nail salons and tattoo studios surely made a marginal difference. But with so many essential workers using public transportation in our major urban centers, did they really think it would be enough to actually stop a really infectious disease like COVID-19?

It seems to me that our only hope is that when it warms up, particularly if people are allowed to go outside and get some sun, the warm humid air of summer will give us a reprieve. Some data presented at the daily briefing yesterday indicates that this may be the case.
 
Danamal said:
We haven’t even seen the top of the curve yet
nor are we in a position to reopen any state
until we really can get a better handle on how
testing and true accountability can be ascertained.
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Here is where I disagree.

While we have less testing capacity than might be desired, it is my understanding that we have sufficient testing capacity for our health departments to do appropriate testing, contract tracing and isolation to keep the curve flat. What we can't afford is injudicious "testing on demand" to deplete the testing capacity that we have.

Second, we have way too many essential workers for a shut down to be effective. Talk of shutting down the economy when it really isn’t being shut down is not only misleading, it is ineffective in achieving the objective of stopping the virus. If the cities could actually be fully shut down (both essential and nonessential workers), it might work. Perhaps then, the virus could be controlled. But with a significant majority of people still going to work and using public transportation as usual, the virus continues to be spread, just at a lower rate.

And telling people, both essential and nonessential, to stay inside and preventing them from buying seeds for a vegetable garden or mowing their lawns is not only ineffective in controlling the virus, it is counterproductive. It is particularly counterproductive to tell elderly people they can't hire it done.

And let's not fool ourselves. A 50% increase in the rate of infection in Montana is not comparable or in any way as dangerous as a 50% increase in New York City. And, finally, I don't think we can afford to keep so called nonessential businesses closed in large sections of the country largely unaffected by the virus at the demand of "essential" news media in our major urban centers.
 
Hi Dan, re. your signature, the actual quote is

Victory has a hundred fathers and defeat is an orphan.
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It was popularized by John F. Kennedy, but it was originally coined by the Italian diplomat, and son-in-law of Mussolini, Count Caleazzo Ciano (1903-44).

Just thought you might be interested to know that you are quoting a fascist. :)
 
Thanks Cliff,
I thought most new the quote I bumped it up from
1962 to 2020, we have more needy people in office
today, nice catch though.
I’ll print that out and put it on the fridge for you,lol


In order to be tested here, you need a family
doctor referral and a scheduled Appt and have
some kind of cold to be tested because the test
is in short supply.

Lastly a fifty percent increase in ANY state is
to many,
Gotta run going to Ga for a massage and a manicure
maybe a tattoo?

Does it matter who said it first?
Doesn’t make anyone a fascist
It is a great quote.
 
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Crap

Brownsfan said:
Well, it appears we still disagree. Looking back, I see no realistic chance of crushing the virus when we have so many "essential workers."

On March 20, 2020, Governor Cuomo ordered a shutdown of the state of New York except for essential workers. This was at a time when there was 8,500 cases and the death total had reached 44.
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You forget again! under my plan Governor Cuomo was 20 days under Martial law by then.

I would have worn a mask on Feb 1. asking fellow Americans to start doing the same.

Brownsfan said:
"essential workers."
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Would have been better protected by everyone wearing a mask Feb 1. forward. but due to the Giant mask conspiracy Doctors,nurses etc were not allowed to wear masks outside of infected areas. such as hallways of hospitals or on their way home etc if they did they were reprimanded.
Did you read those articles in the news ? in Feb, March

Now I see homeless people now wearing masks lately. oh fuck so sad it's late
Brownsfan said:
All of these essential people are still moving around, riding the subway.
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Under Martial law or not keeping the subway still running... just Genius. duh
Special transportation for hospital workers or allow them to stay in near by closed hotels. huh wtf

Lets face it non essential people are still moving around or it would just be essential workers sick and dying by now. still planes flying about the country. smh
 
Maybe I’ll go back to my old sig after we can bump into each other
without worrying about a virus....
MMW, I had a healthy plate of crow for bustin balls
when this first happened, you called it and I don’t have any
problem with admitting I was wrong.
Like I said I’m not going down the political road anymore
we get each other and hopefully respect each other’s
opinion.
It’s been leaking out that San Francisco actually had whiffed
on two deaths classified as influenza when in reality were
Covid-19 in January!
 
January

Danamal said:
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It’s been leaking out that San Francisco actually had whiffed
on two deaths classified as influenza when in reality were
Covid-19 in January!
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There's no blame for missing these cases. there was no testing in SF(tissue sent to CDC).
imo it's very likely there were a few dozen or more cases of death in January around the states.
 
Cliff,
I can almost agree with you on “non covid” or as close
to states.
The problem with all of this is simply cross contamination.
Where are people getting there seed, who handled the shipments
and who delivered them type of situations.
Quite realistically our entire food supply can become an issue
if we start “liberating” too soon.
Being locked inside your own home for three weeks at a time
is nerve racking but the only sure fire way we keep this from
exploding.
Actually today we went over fifty thousand dead some would
call that an explosion that can’t continue to climb we are going
to have to pick a plan and run with it,money can be made but
your life can’t be bought our economy will rebound quickly if
we get the all clear, until that happens we all need to tread
lightly.
 
Like myself when you first posted this
It was a “boy who cried wolf” scenario.
From mosquito’s to your asshole falling out
we keep getting these different alerts that
really haven’t amounted to anything tangible
until it did....
This is something nobody was prepared for
and some still don’t believe or it’s some weird
conspiracy theory, this is no joke.
Be safe!
 
Just some context on where the major problems are. While the United States has the most death of any country, on a per capita basis, we are in tenth place behind 9 European countries:

Country........Deaths..Per 1M Population
Belgium….....44,293...…...576
Spain...…......22,524........482
Italy...…….....25,969...…...430
France.........22,245........341
UK......……....19,506........287
Netherlands...4,289...…...250
Sweden.........2,152...…...213
Ireland...….....1,014........205
Switzerland....1,589........184
USA...…........52,185.......158

However, if New York was a country, they would lead the world:

…………….......Deaths..Per 1M Population
New York.....21,291.......1085

One country to watch in the near future is Sweden. They are basically winging it. We will see how a cold weather country like Sweden gets by with few restrictions.
 
You can move the numbers around however you like
it doesn’t change the narrative.
We have the most infections of the next five countries
combined and have over fifty thousand deaths and climbing
there’s no way to polish this turd.
 
Europe

Danamal said:
We have the most infections of the next five countries
combined and have over fifty thousand deaths and climbing
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Better comparison. we are like 50+ countries.

As of April 24, 2020, there have been 116,279 deaths in Europe overall due to the coronavirus (COVID-19) since the first recorded European death in France on February 15. The most deaths have occurred in Italy at 25,549. April 4 was the virus' deadliest day so far in Europe with 5,181 deaths recorded in 39 different European countries. While on April 24, 3,162 deaths were recorded across 38 countries.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102288/coronavirus-deaths-development-europe/
 
Danamal said:
You can move the numbers around however you like
it doesn’t change the narrative.
We have the most infections of the next five countries
combined and have over fifty thousand deaths and climbing
there’s no way to polish this turd.
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There is nothing wrong with context, Dan. The context is that with regard to the coronavirus, the New York/New Jersey area is one of the most dangerous places on earth to live right now.

In addition, it is clear that the measures you are taking in your area are not adequate. Realistically, however, there isn't much more that you could have done. The vast number of people in the New York City area are considered essential workers and continue to ride the subways and spread the virus.

The main problem is that when you talk of shutting down, you are speaking only of a relatively small portion of the economy. Basically you eliminate only a portion of the service and airline industries. The rest remains in place.

Consider that before the coronavirus, there were about 158,000,000 people employed nationwide. The loss of jobs due to the shutdown have been devastating to the people involved but has done little to halt the virus. Probably as many as 20,000,000 people nationwide have lost their jobs in the shutdown and have been told to stay home. But that is only about an eighth of the prior number. The other seven/eighths were holding down what are considered essential jobs and continue to go to work, taking whatever means of transportation they previously used.

Assuming a similar proportion of New Yorkers who lost their jobs and were told to go home and stay inside, what was the effect? With respect to the people who lost their jobs, the effect is devastating. With respect to fighting the virus, the effect is probably not much greater than social distancing by itself would have accomplished.

The point is that unless you are willing to severely limit the number of essential workers, you really aren’t doing much. So what could be done to make it more effective? Realistically, not much. Okay, exactly what is essential about TV commentators and pundits? Perhaps they could be told to stay home. And what is so essential about much of the government? But that is out of the question. We have to have people telling us what to do. That is the very definition of essential.

Hey, I got an idea, why don’t we tell a hair stylist in Montana that her job is dangerous to the health of the nation and she must go home and stay inside?

The bottom line is that there are 972 active COVID-19 cases in the state of Oklahoma and 224,936 active cases in New York. When I calculate the relative danger to me personally from the virus, I am going to use the 972 active cases in my state, not the 224,936 active cases in New York. The number of cases in New York have about as much relevance to my personal situation and safety as the number of cases in Spain or Italy.
 
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madmadworld said:
https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-second-wave-sweden-lockdown-herd-immunity-covid-19-1500046

My bet in the long run their plan will be better than ours. July 2021
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I read a different article which mentioned that the reason that Sweden hasn't been hit as hard as some other European countries is that they do not have the conditions that some other European countries (people living on top of people). They are more spread apart. Also I would mention that they are not an international traffic hub in the sense that some other European countries are.

BTW, I checked to see if their rate of infection for last 12 days is growing appreciably (the period during which I have collected data) and found that it has not. It may actually be decreasing.
 
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