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The Sweden model of doing essentially nothing
hasn’t worked very well even though Carlson
Hannity and Inghram and the folks at Fox have
been talking about this.
The last numbers I saw was 1500 dead and climbing
so I don’t expect holding that country up as a beacon
will fly much further.
 
Danamal said:
The Sweden model of doing essentially nothing
hasn’t worked very well even though Carlson
Hannity and Inghram and the folks at Fox have
been talking about this.
The last numbers I saw was 1500 dead and climbing
so I don’t expect holding that country up as a beacon
will fly much further.
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I don't think that anyone is holding up the Sweden model as a beacon. However, I don't think the New York model in which about an eighth of the economy is shuttered has necessarily been much better.

In retrospect, I suspect that if appropriate rules had been established requiring social distancing in bars and restaurants (tables and stools spaced apart) and masks for the employees of said establishment plus rules for maintaining social distancing of customers of hair salons and barber shops and masks for the beauticians and barbers, the results would have been about the same as far as flattening the curve.

But the models said shutting it down would do the trick, I am told.
 
Cliff,
I’d like to think we’re on the same page.
Your trying to make the point that if you live near
thousands of acres of corn (and a baseball field)
why should we be forced to lock ourselves up,we
don’t have subways or large gatherings,I totally get it.
If you remember this started in China we weren’t affected.
New York is definitely the American epicenter for this whole
thing but explain how S.Dakota and all fifty states have
acquired this virus?
Granted there is no comparing numbers because millions
upon millions of people live on top of each other where as
the plains don’t have those concentrated areas and yet even
on that argument all fifty states have the virus!

Without trying to get into politics this virus hasn’t been approached
with the urgency it deserves or needs and this cycle will continue
till a vaccine is ready and that may not be on the horizon until this
time next year, best case.
Following distancing and not getting caught in crowds of any size.
Running amok with liberty signs can’t wish this away and is pretty
wreckless and stupid.
Every lab around the world has this as there number one priority
and hopefully we catch a break sooner than a year from now but
until then we have to do the best we can.
I have no answers this is uncharted territory for all of us but until
we do get a solution to this pandemic protect yourself and your
family the best you can.
 
Danamal said:
Cliff,
I’d like to think we’re on the same page.
Your trying to make the point that if you live near
thousands of acres of corn (and a baseball field)
why should we be forced to lock ourselves up,we
don’t have subways or large gatherings,I totally get it.
If you remember this started in China we weren’t affected.
New York is definitely the American epicenter for this whole
thing but explain how S.Dakota and all fifty states have
acquired this virus?
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Pretty simple really. We are a mobile society. Even in flyover country, we have airports and they are used. Business travel has blossomed over the years. Even at my level before I retired (Senior Designer), I made multiple trips to Houma, Louisiana, and Ventura, California, to visit field offices for various reasons. I made multiple trips to our main office in Houston or to visit customers. I once flew from Tulsa to Newark via Dallas to qualify a vendor and while there I was instructed to fly directly to Los Angeles to investigate a vendor problem. I also made several international flights for various reasons.

However, my travel paled in comparison to my boss and his boss. It seemed that those guys were always traveling. My son is the Chief Engineer of a small conveyer systems company and, prior to the current situation, he was flying to one city or another about every other week or so either to hawk a system or to solve a problem with a system. So I guess I’m not surprised. If companies in Tulsa were doing it, I would guess that companies in cities like Omaha and Des Moines were doing the same.

I suppose I could be wrong, but I think it was business travel that spread the virus, not restaurants and bars, barber shops and hair salons

Granted there is no comparing numbers because millions
upon millions of people live on top of each other where as
the plains don’t have those concentrated areas and yet even
on that argument all fifty states have the virus!

Without trying to get into politics this virus hasn’t been approached
with the urgency it deserves or needs and this cycle will continue
till a vaccine is ready and that may not be on the horizon until this
time next year, best case.
Following distancing and not getting caught in crowds of any size.
Running amok with liberty signs can’t wish this away and is pretty
wreckless and stupid.
Every lab around the world has this as there number one priority
and hopefully we catch a break sooner than a year from now but
until then we have to do the best we can.
I have no answers this is uncharted territory for all of us but until
we do get a solution to this pandemic protect yourself and your
family the best you can.
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In regard to the protests. I don't think the protests are the problem. And on the contrary, they provide a warning about what we are doing to the fabric of our country in what I consider to have been an ill advised rush to shoot ourselves in the foot when less restrictive actions may have done about as well in fighting the virus.

Some states are going to step out and others will hold back. Watching what happens in each case will be instructive. The state I am watching the closest is Oklahoma. Other states I will be watching are Georgia, Nebraska and, of course, New York and New Jersey. Countries of interest are Sweden, Germany and Australia. If the coronavirus is seasonal, Australia needs to do everything they can to stamp it out as best they can while they can because winter is coming on.
 
I understand if you put two hundred bodies in a flying incubator
it’s not that hard to get sick,but it’s the expedient spread of contamination
that makes it really hard to fathom just how bad this really is.
I watched Bill Maher last night and he was speaking to a doctor and he was
of the opinion that if there’s conclusive proof that you are immune to the virus
once your over the illness then it’s reasonable to consider those who are not at
risk would be able to return to work and work toward rebuilding our country in
that way which as he stated is the only viable way to get us up and running since
a vaccine is most realistically eighteen months away.
an interesting hypothesis...
Just something to consider, and I’m not going into the political nature of these
liberty stagings, we know where we stand politically.
Peace...
 
Danamal said:
I understand if you put two hundred bodies in a flying incubator
it’s not that hard to get sick,but it’s the expedient spread of contamination
that makes it really hard to fathom just how bad this really is.
I watched Bill Maher last night and he was speaking to a doctor and he was
of the opinion that if there’s conclusive proof that you are immune to the virus
once your over the illness then it’s reasonable to consider those who are not at
risk would be able to return to work and work toward rebuilding our country in
that way which as he stated is the only viable way to get us up and running since
a vaccine is most realistically eighteen months away.
an interesting hypothesis...
Just something to consider, and I’m not going into the political nature of these
liberty stagings, we know where we stand politically.
Peace...
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Well, everybody has an opinion I guess.

But right now, my interest is in how quickly this virus can spread. I was looking at Nebraska tonight. I became interested in the deal with Nebraska a few days ago when I saw the map of states opening up and saw that although states all around it were going into phase 1 before or on May 1, Nebraska was holding back. This seemed strange since their numbers appeared to be rather moderate. Tonight I found out why. About 10 days ago, their new cases suddenly jumped from an average of about 70 cases per week to over a hundred. And in the last seven days, they have been averaging over 200 new cases. And in the last three days they have averaged about 300 new cases per day.

My assumption is that the Nebraska health department will quickly get a handle on the situation. Maybe that is reflected in the surge of cases in the past three days. It will be interesting to see if the surge continues or if it drops back. My guess is that an Omaha businessman took a trip to Chicago or Detroit and brought the virus back to his company and from there it spread to families and friends, basically hidden until suddenly a bunch of people got sick.

I also wonder what effect the outbreak at the Tyson Foods plant in Black Hawk county, Iowa, will have on Iowa's plans to reopen their ecconomy.

This is not going smoothly.
 
Cliff

Brownsfan said:
My guess is that an Omaha businessman took a trip to Chicago or Detroit and brought the virus back to his company and from there it spread to families and friends, basically hidden until suddenly a bunch of people got sick.

I also wonder what effect the outbreak at the Tyson Foods plant in Black Hawk county, Iowa, will have on Iowa's plans to reopen their economy.

This is not going smoothly.
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I'll try this again. You are likely right.
In your assumptions of businessmen traveling about.

We should have grounded all air travel. save postal.UPS FedEx etc. sealed off the state borders save truckers. they quickly found their borders again in Europe. lol

Colonel Klink never recommended that. my guess. he had all those years to figure all this out. his job.. containment. he seems willing to track people.
 
People will not just sit around and wither.

Some will take longer than others to see oppression.


You cannot take away an Americans right to feed his family. Nor can you shutter him in his house.

We did what we thought was right. But its time to go to work. Demand to get your haircut, to eat at your favorite restaurant.

Use common sense. Wash your hands. Stay home if your sick.
 
hammertime said:
People will not just sit around and wither.

Some will take longer than others to see oppression.


You cannot take away a Americans right to feed his family. Nor can you shutter him in his house.

We did what we thought was right. But its time to go to work. Demand to get your haircut, to eat at your favorite restaurant.

Use common sense. Wash your hands. Stay home if your sick.
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Fully agree. But more needs to be done to stop the spread of the virus.

State health departments need to be stationed at every airport and all incoming passengers need to be tested for the virus.
 
I think in general a virus screening should be improved upon what we currently have.

We should never shut down America again without a vote or at least real data.

I’m still amazed at the amount of freedom we gave up just like that.


I hope this is a lesson for all of us. And not just the freedom issues, but ppe, testing and basic hygiene.

The social distancing is overboard, common sense and manners combined with awareness of actual personal space will go along way.

How many parents here took their kids to Chucke Cheese? And boom your kid was sick �� a few days later lol

We learned a little common sense didn’t we......
 
This isn’t “shutting down” or taking away your rights, this is a pandemic
like we’ve never seen before and certainly we’re not ready for.
This is about getting violently sick and Dying.
I live in a high risk area and people are free to leave there homes but
not recommended for your health and people around you.
Dawgfan said it best “your not wearing a mask for you it’s for the people around you.”

This isn’t political go run the streets all you like and even though you don’t care about
your own health have consideration for others until we have proper guidelines in place
like Cliff recommended testing at airports is a great idea, there is still a cruise ship that
can’t dock at any port yet, can’t imagine how awful that situation must be for them?

Pandemic doesn’t mean we’ve given up our rights for now it’s all we have to control infection
rates.
People in Wisconsin were forced to go vote in public and you guessed it,people got the virus!

When the thirteen colonies were conducting business in Philadelphia
Everyone evacuated the city during the “yellow fever” that was prominent
in that time.
They still managed to build a government After dealing with the flu season of its time.

Do what you like but if your going to wreckless with your health don’t assume others like
your plan.
 
Blinking in the sunlight: Children make halting return to Spain’s streets after weeks of coronavirus lockdown

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/b...fter-weeks-of-coronavirus-lockdown-2020-04-26

Spain is easing some restrictions, allowing people to come out into the sunlight.

Although there has been a reduction to a third of the peak death rate of 902 deaths per day on April 2, there remains a significant threat from the virus as shown in the data from the past two weeks:

Date..........Cases..NewC..Deaths..NewD
4/13/2020 166,831 3,804 17,209 603
4/14/2020 170,099 3,268 17,756 547
4/15/2020 174,060 3,961 18,255 499
4/16/2020 180,659 6,599 18,812 557
4/17/2020 190,839 5,891 20,002 687
4/18/2020 194,416 3,577 20,639 637
4/19/2020 198,674 4,258 20,453 410
4/20/2020 200,210 1,536 20,852 399
4/21/2020 204,178 3,968 21,282 430
4/22/2020 208,389 4,211 21,717 435
4/23/2020 213,024 4,635 22,157 440
4/24/2020 219,764 6,740 22,524 367
4/25/2020 223,759 3,995 22,902 378
4/26/2020 226,759 2,870 23,180 288

On Sunday, the government announced 288 new deaths in the past 24 hours, the first time the number of deceased has been below 300 since the lockdown began on March 15, and well off a peak of 902 on April 2.

Spain’s schools remain shut for physical classes and only essential businesses and construction and factories are up and running. Food banks are seeing a surge in those seeking aid as jobless claims soared by over 300,000 in March and are expected to keep climbing.
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In a nation of 46 million, is reducing the death toll to 288 deaths too soon to start relaxing restrictions?

Will easing the restrictions cause more death?

We will find out in two weeks.
 
Looks like New York will be opening soon:

New York's low coronavirus transmission rate suggests the state's outbreak is contained for now

https://news.yahoo.com/yorks-low-coronavirus-transmission-rate-190025075.html

For the state to reopen, the hospitalization rate must be in decline for 14 days, Gov. Cuomo said on Sunday.

New York's stay-at-home restrictions are scheduled to last until May 15. On Sunday, Cuomo outlined a plan for reopening the state:

Phase 1: Resume construction and manufacturing. Wait two weeks to see if cases spike.

Phase 2: Reopen low-risk businesses that have a plan to keep transmission low. Schools could reopen as well.

Prohibit attractions that would draw large crowds from outside the local area.

Cuomo said upstate regions are more likely to reopen sooner than downstate areas like New York City. The decision to reopen, he added, ultimately hinges on whether hospitalizations decline for two weeks.
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New York is still adding about 5000 new cases per day and averaging 400 deaths:

Date...…….Total C New C Total D New D
4/10/2020 172,368 10,854 7,844 777
4/11/2020 181,144 8,776 8,627 783
4/12/2020 189,415 8,271 9,385 758
4/13/2020 195,655 6,240 10,056 671
4/14/2020 203,123 7,468 10,874 778
4/15/2020 214,648 11,525 11,586 752
4/16/2020 226,198 7,636 16,106 606
4/17/2020 233,951 7,753 17,131 1,025
4/18/2020 241,041 7,090 17,671 540
4/19/2020 247,215 6,174 18,298 627
4/20/2020 252,094 4,879 18,929 631
4/21/2020 256,555 4,461 19,693 764
4/22/2020 262,268 5,713 20,354 661
4/23/2020 268,681 6,313 20,861 507
4/24/2020 277,445 8,864 21,291 430
4/25/2020 288,313 10,868 21,908 617
4/26/2020 293,991 5,678 22,275 367

What's wrong with this picture?
 
There are a lot of people who work in New York but live as
far away as Princeton to Philly to as far north as RI that take the train daily into the
city for a variety of reasons mostly being space and cost
prohibitive.
Why rent a a room in the city when you can live in the burbs
for the same amount?
You can’t park anywhere so cars are not a great option.
Coming up out of Penn Station onto Time Square is quite
a rush, you can just feel the energy when you hit the streets.
It really is something.
Personally I could never navigate the subways,I take a cab to
get where I need to go.
I digress,
Nebraska has quite a few issues and I was fearful of our food
supply and it’s showing up everywhere “essential workers”
gather to process our food.
Oklahoma had close to a thousand people in one meat plant
sick with three hundred dead or was it Nebraska?,does it matter?
Yeah,it’s ok to buy tainted meat because you cook the meat
and that will kill the virus,who says?
Don’t you have to touch it to get it in the pan and put the package
In the trash?
This is getting really bad across the country and continues
to grow.

New Jersey votes for elected governors without
concern of party it’s more about who’s selling
better BS at that particular moment in time.

I remember Chris Christy riding into office with
a seventy something approval rating through
his first term to leaving office after his second
term limping out at under thirty percent and
Still thought he could be President!
Jersey is weird like that,Pennsylvania isn’t much
different.
This reopening of certain states is wreckless and
will result in a new spike in this virus that will start
the ball rolling all over again.
What the hell, this is America where people have every
right to be dumb and I’m fine with that until it interferes
with my right to be healthy and safe, it works both ways
or atleast it should.
I really don’t understand what the volume of subway riders
has to do with anything other than the concentration of mass
amounts of people bumping into each other,coughing,sneezing
or whatever, NY City isn’t unique to disaster 9-11 so they tend
to listen to what’s going on and act accordingly.
However the rich need there Wall ST so there’s more “essential”
workers and so on and so on.
The one thing that has made an impression on me during all of this
is how much better the air quality looks in LA to India,very impressive
how much better things look when millions of vehicles aren’t on the road.
Don’t get me wrong I drive a pickup nothing electric so I’m as guilty as
anyone but it does make you stop and think.

There’s no real point to my post other than we all have to deal with this
as a new normal till it’s not.
Be smart
Be safe
and keep the Lysol for the kitchen and bathroom floors not your veins!
 
Danamal said:
There are a lot of people who work in New York but live as
far away as Princeton to Philly to as far north as RI that take the train daily into the
city for a variety of reasons mostly being space and cost
prohibitive.
Why rent a a room in the city when you can live in the burbs
for the same amount?
You can’t park anywhere so cars are not a great option.
Coming up out of Penn Station onto Time Square is quite
a rush, you can just feel the energy when you hit the streets.
It really is something.
Personally I could never navigate the subways,I take a cab to
get where I need to go.
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However, I suppose you can understand why traffic on subways can contribute to the spread of the virus in New York and surrounding states and why shutting down approximately a sixth of the economy was largely ineffective in fighting the spread of the virus when it was traffic on the subway that was mainly responsible for the spreading.

I digress,
Nebraska has quite a few issues and I was fearful of our food
supply and it’s showing up everywhere “essential workers”
gather to process our food.
Oklahoma had close to a thousand people in one meat plant
sick with three hundred dead or was it Nebraska?,does it matter?
Yeah,it’s ok to buy tainted meat because you cook the meat
and that will kill the virus,who says?
Don’t you have to touch it to get it in the pan and put the package
In the trash?
This is getting really bad across the country and continues
to grow.
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I suppose I could say that that is the chance you take in our modern society if you want to eat. But that begs the question: why do we have the virus in states like Nebraska or Oklahoma in the first place. How did it get here? It didn't come directly from China. We generally don't have a lot of international flights to and from China in Oklahoma and Nebraska. Therefore, it must have come via domestic flights from US cities such as Chicago, Los Angeles or New York that did have international flights from China and Europe.

It wasn't "nonessential" barbers, beauticians and waiters that brought the virus to Oklahoma and Nebraska from those distant cities, it was business executives employed in "essential" jobs making business trips that brought the virus in the first place and no doubt continue to import it to this day. Otherwise, considering our lifestyle and modes of transportation (mainly automobile), we would otherwise likely be free of the virus entirely by now.

I fail to understand why you and the media are so concerned about opening hair salons barbershops and restaurants in states like Oklahoma and Nebraska. They're not going to contribute significantly if at all to what you are concerned with. In order to stop that, you need to stop business travel. Seems to me that if you are going to rail against something, you ought to be railing against that.

New Jersey votes for elected governors without
concern of party it’s more about who’s selling
better BS at that particular moment in time.

I remember Chris Christy riding into office with
a seventy something approval rating through
his first term to leaving office after his second
term limping out at under thirty percent and
Still thought he could be President!
Jersey is weird like that,Pennsylvania isn’t much
different.
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I certainly don't know much about that. My guess is that you know more about that then me.

This reopening of certain states is wreckless and
will result in a new spike in this virus that will start
the ball rolling all over again.
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What I think is really reckless is what New York is doing. They are getting ready to reopen which will only increase the subway traffic and the spread of the virus.

What I want to know is how they justify reopening when they still have 229,824 active cases of COVID-19? Yesterday, they added 4,013 new cases and 348 new deaths from the coronavirus. In contrast, Oklahoma has 916 active cases and added a total of 27 new cases and 2 deaths.

If we could shut down business travel to hot spots like Chicago, Boston, and New York, the virus would likely be eliminated in our state in a matter of a few weeks. The idea that barbers, beauticians and waiters should continue to be sacrificed in the name of safety when it is executives on business trips that is the main cause of the problem is absurd.

What the hell, this is America where people have every
right to be dumb and I’m fine with that until it interferes
with my right to be healthy and safe, it works both ways
or atleast it should.
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I think you have it backwards. The part I agree with is that there is some dumb shit going on.
 
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CES 2020 attendee reports positive COVID-19 antibody test

April 25, 2020 - 5:29 pm
A CES 2020 attendee who reportedly developed flu-like symptoms after returning home from the conference in January says he found out Monday that his COVID-19 antibody test came back positive.

The news, reported Thursday by American Public Media, is renewing social media speculation about whether the virus was circulating at the consumer electronics show, which drew more than 175,000 attendees from across the globe to Las Vegas from Jan. 7-10.

After CES 2020 ended in January, a handful of attendees posted on Twitter about how they were sick with flu-like symptoms.

In a Jan. 10 post, Webber wrote: “The lounge at the #LasVegas airport sounds like an infirmary: all sorts of people sneezing & coughing. I think there are 3 reasons for this. 1) hard partying from #CES2020 2) global travelers from many regions in flu season 3) prevalence of conditioned indoor air in LV.”

On Thursday, Webber posted a link to the American Public Media story on Twitter with the comment, “so, it turns out I did have the zombie virus after all.”

Other Twitter users weighed in on the topic this week, too. On Friday, @technosucks wrote: “I went to CES 2020. Then I got super sick. Worst ‘flu’ of my life.”

Also on Friday, @acapata wrote, “Not sure if it was #COVID19 or something else, but I’ve caught the worst flu ever at #CES2020.”

On Friday, @tarahaelle wrote: “Until we have more antibody tests that have been validated, I’m remaining cautiously skeptical about what conclusions we can draw about positive results we’re hearing about. But I’m as curious as anyone whether the #CES2020 #flu was actually #COVID19.”
https://www.reviewjournal.com/busin...orts-positive-covid-19-antibody-test-2014973/
 
So what’s your point?
are you looking for someone to blame?
This pandemic started in San Francisco.
I agree the population in NY City is
immense and I agree it’s devasted NY as a
city and state but at this point does it matter?
Maybe we ship all the sick to New York and rope
it off!
Or is this something more nefarious like.... Cuomo?
Whatever you want to blame this on doesn’t matter
does it?
It’s here and scientist still don’t understand why or
how the virus kills.
although I’ve heard someone already claim they should
have a vaccine for this virus in six months, I’m calling BS on that.

Sorry MMW,
We must have been posting at the same time,Vegas is convention
central always has been so I agree the virus has spread from many
different places and to put the blame on New York alone isn’t an
honest assessment of breeding grounds for this.
 
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New York

Danamal said:
put the blame on New York alone isn’t an
honest assessment of breeding grounds for this.
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I don't think most are blaming New York. yet if one minuses that east coast area(Mass to NJ) all that's left are a few spots. but since most of the media only sees the east coast, they are bias(as their normal). plus they are still being paid.

While most of the rest of us couldn't find $400 the past few years. it's going to be rough if everything could go back to a somewhat old normal now. this cannot be the new normal.
 
I get what your saying and there’s a good deal of
truth in your point but it’s really to late to stay away
from NY and NY stays sways from the rest of the country
I have seen models where it’s slowing down I just caution
blowing the all clear whistle to soon but as I said this is
America your free to do what you want within the law.

The big news this morning concentrated on small business
loans and the corporations grabbing it up like the LA Lakers
got caught and returned four and a half million dollars, that’s
so wrong but that’s where all the first round of “small business”
loans went and that shit ain’t bringing jobs back for Real Small
shops and stores that need help!!!
 
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